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    • roboduetundefined
      roboduet
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      @hairy_kiwi - do you have photos of printed parts with and without M572?

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      • Jackalundefined
        Jackal
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        What kind of model is good for testing pressure advance?

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        • deckingmanundefined
          deckingman
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          @Jackal:

          What kind of model is good for testing pressure advance?

          I'd guess the effect would be more noticable with longer print (extrusion) moves between changes of direction.

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          • hairy_kiwiundefined
            hairy_kiwi
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            @roboduet:

            @hairy_kiwi - do you have photos of printed parts with and without M572?

            No, sorry. I'll post some when I get a moment.

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            • hairy_kiwiundefined
              hairy_kiwi
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              @Jackal:

              What kind of model is good for testing pressure advance?

              A solid infill 20 - 30 mm square x 3 mm height block ought to be of sufficient size to visually assess all the nuances of changing pressure advance. You may even need less z-height than 3mm to reach a conclusion. I would also suggest using the half-split-successive-guesstimate-technique* to derive your preferred value, rather than changing the value in small increments; you should find it much easier to see any changes that way. Until last week I was using a single 50 x 50 x 1.8 mm block with 0.3mm layer height and solid infill while setting up my machine. I found it a useful size block for checking bed flatness, E-steps/mm, jerk and acceleration and did also use it for setting pressure advance, but its size is probably overkill if you only want to set pressure advance.

              *There's bound to be a bona fide mathematical process name for what I'm describing, but I can't find it so I've mashed one together: the half-split-technique (from electrical fault-finding) with successive-approximation (from mathematics, for finding roots of equations). 'Approximation' is further replaced by 'guesstimate', because at the end of the day it's all a somewhat subjective process.

              Good luck! Have fun 😉

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              • pcsentinelundefined
                pcsentinel
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                Thanks both, I'll start experimenting.

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators
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                  @hairy_kiwi:

                  *There's bound to be a bona fide mathematical process name for what I'm describing, but I can't find it so I've mashed one together: the half-split-technique (from electrical fault-finding) with successive-approximation (from mathematics, for finding roots of equations). 'Approximation' is further replaced by 'guesstimate', because at the end of the day it's all a somewhat subjective process.

                  I think you mean binary search. I remember using this technique when i was a student, to determine the appropriate amount of chilli to use when cooking chilli con carne. It only took me 3 meals to get it right.

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                  • Alexander Mundyundefined
                    Alexander Mundy
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                    @hairy_kiwi:

                    @Jackal:

                    What kind of model is good for testing pressure advance?

                    *There's bound to be a bona fide mathematical process name for what I'm describing, but I can't find it so I've mashed one together: the half-split-technique (from electrical fault-finding) with successive-approximation (from mathematics, for finding roots of equations). 'Approximation' is further replaced by 'guesstimate', because at the end of the day it's all a somewhat subjective process.
                    Good luck! Have fun 😉

                    Back when I was a bench tech we called it "divide and conquer".

                    Good job with the naming convention!
                    I looked it up in a class training book from the '70's that I still have ( I'm not a pack rat 😉 ) and it was called the "half-split rule" there.

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                    • pcsentinelundefined
                      pcsentinel
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                      further Q on this, what E Jerk value would be a good starting point, its currently set to 20. I run a 0.9 deg stepper on the titan extruder

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                      • hairy_kiwiundefined
                        hairy_kiwi
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                        @dc42:

                        I think you mean binary search. I remember using this technique when i was a student, to determine the appropriate amount of chilli to use when cooking chilli con carne. It only took me 3 meals to get it right.

                        😄 That's it dc42! Many thanks for enlightening 🙂

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