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    • A Former User?
      A Former User @Luke'sLaboratory
      last edited by A Former User

      @Luke-sLaboratory said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

      assume would be desoldering the module off?

      it might be possible to just upload a custom wifi firmware that leaves the spi buss and interrupt line as high impedance inputs, and enters deep sleep (but such a firmware would need to be created tested from here)

      edit: it totes works

      edit: if anyone is to try this - update wifi firmware first, the sbc firmware does not accept M997 S1.

      edit: either wifi needs to go or my hired hands messed up the wirng.

      6/26/2020, 11:51:59 AM	Connection to Duet established
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      6/26/2020, 11:52:07 AM	M115
      FIRMWARE_NAME: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 + SBC FIRMWARE_VERSION: 3.02-beta ELECTRONICS: Duet 2 1.02 or later + SBC FIRMWARE_DATE: 2020-06-25b1
      6/26/2020, 11:52:10 AM	Warning: Lost connection to Duet (Board is not available (no header))
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      • Dougal1957undefined
        Dougal1957
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        Will the standard DSF system for the SBC remain the same or will we need a different image?

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        • smoki3undefined
          smoki3 @T3P3Tony
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          @T3P3Tony so you recommend any resistor which was working fine in you tests?

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          • A Former User?
            A Former User @smoki3
            last edited by

            @smoki3 maybe you'll find some clues if you look at the duet 2 and 3 schematics. i.e. the EDR_CONN already has R17 on the duet 2, and the duet 3 schematic show which values they used there

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            • smoki3undefined
              smoki3 @A Former User
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              @bearer where do I find the schematic

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              • A Former User?
                A Former User @smoki3
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                @smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

                where do I find the schematic

                https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mainboard-6HC
                and
                https://github.com/T3P3/Duet/tree/master/Duet2/Duet2v1.04

                or just google it?

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                • smoki3undefined
                  smoki3 @A Former User
                  last edited by smoki3

                  @bearer thanks!

                  I googled for it but unter "duet 3 schematics" you don't get it 🙂

                  In the duet3 schematics they use 100Ohm resistors.

                  The duet 2 has for MOSI, MISO and SPCK 47 Ohm and for NPSC0 and EDR 2,2 kOhm

                  @T3P3Tony NPSC0 and EDR have no influence on the speed, right?

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                  • wilrikerundefined
                    wilriker @smoki3
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                    @smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

                    @T3P3Tony NPSC0 and EDR have no influence on the speed, right?

                    That's correct.

                    I tested with no resistors and with 500R (two 1K in parallel since that's what I just had at hand at the time). The difference is significant but at the same time negligible. Without resistors you can get up to 25-27MHz. With 500R in series you "only" get 13.5-15MHz - but that's still plenty and most likely more than your ever need while at the same time providing you much more protection.

                    @Dougal1957 DSF is absolutely the same. It does neither know nor care if it's a D3 or a D2 on the other end.

                    Manuel
                    Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                    with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
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                    • smoki3undefined
                      smoki3 @wilriker
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                      @wilriker

                      Okay cool. I just ordered some experimental stripboards and the 26 pin connector. So I can test it next week.

                      I will build up a small pcb with the resistors on it.

                      So I will just add some resistors to the MISO, MOSI and SPCK pins. The 2.2kOhm on the two other pins should be enough.

                      How fast is an ESP? Do they also reach the 25 MHz?

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                      • wilrikerundefined
                        wilriker @smoki3
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                        @smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

                        How fast is an ESP? Do they also reach the 25 MHz?

                        The current configuration sets it to 26.7MHz. The ESP (clocked at 80MHz) can go up to at least 40MHz from what I can see in the source code comments.

                        Manuel
                        Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                        with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                        My Tool Collection

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                        • smoki3undefined
                          smoki3 @wilriker
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                          @wilriker what's the worst case scenario if I connect it directly? Or otherwise what if the speed is to slow (if I choose to big resistors)?

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                          • wilrikerundefined
                            wilriker @smoki3
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                            @smoki3 So worst case: you fry the SAM4E on the Duet or the ARM of the RPi. That's easy. 😂

                            Let's put the answer about speed this way: currently the default configuration for Duet Software Framework (which controls the SPI speed) is set to 8 MHz for a Duet 3 (which coincidentally has virtually the same max SPI speed as a Duet 2). And so far there have been very to no occasions where this would not have sufficed. So if you run it at 15MHz (with ~500R series resistors) you are still about twice the speed of the normal D3-SBC speed. I guess you run into step-generation limits before you see issues with SPI speed.

                            Manuel
                            Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                            with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                            My Tool Collection

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                            • smoki3undefined
                              smoki3 @wilriker
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                              @wilriker
                              allright. I will test it soon!

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                              • smoki3undefined
                                smoki3
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                                @wilriker does the duet 2 provide enough current on the 5 volt circuit to power the pi? Or is it better to use a separate stepdown module

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators @smoki3
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                                  @smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

                                  @wilriker does the duet 2 provide enough current on the 5 volt circuit to power the pi? Or is it better to use a separate stepdown module

                                  The 5V regulator on Duet 2 does not provide enough current to power a Pi safely.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                                  • A Former User?
                                    A Former User @wilriker
                                    last edited by A Former User

                                    @wilriker said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

                                    I tested with no resistors and with 500R

                                    thanks for your effort with this btw! which branch would be the best bet to build Duet2_SBC_RTOS/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin? nvm checking that all the repos have been switched from dc42 to duet3d github turned out to be an idea

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                                    • smoki3undefined
                                      smoki3 @A Former User
                                      last edited by smoki3

                                      @bearer I build 3.02 branch with the SBC Configuration. This should work.

                                      The build have a different file name. So you have to rename it to flash it over DWC

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                                      • wilrikerundefined
                                        wilriker @smoki3
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                                        @smoki3 Yes, for initial flashing you have to rename it or flash it via bossa (as I did). If you also build DuetIAP and put this into the /sys folder of DSF you can from then on do regular flashing by just uploading the firmware file as is in DWC.

                                        Manuel
                                        Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                        with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                        My Tool Collection

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                                        • smoki3undefined
                                          smoki3 @wilriker
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                                          @wilriker is it a different DuetIAP as the normal build which is released on GitHub?

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                                          • wilrikerundefined
                                            wilriker @smoki3
                                            last edited by wilriker

                                            @smoki3 Yes, it's a new version that will be part of the RRF 3.2.0. You have to clone DuetIAP and have to build SAM4E_SPI_RAM build configuration. This will create a file name Duet2_SBCiap_2SBC.bin.

                                            Manuel
                                            Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                            with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                            My Tool Collection

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