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    • Kweakuiundefined
      Kweakui @Kweakui
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      @Kweakui @Phaedrux Ok, cleaning definitely helped (should have tried that first), it still doesn't look like it's trying to compensate though as the part close to that back corner is definitely too close to the bed.

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      • Kweakuiundefined
        Kweakui
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        I'm a heck of a lot farther now thanks to your help guys, it printed out the test cube, there's still some dialing in for me to do I think, I'm still not convinced it's properly compensating, but I'm going to re-level the bed again and get that back corner in line as much as I can.

        In the 21 mm of the test cube (box?) that it printed, the front looks pretty great but the sides have a bit of wobble to them and the back has these weird artifacts, here's a picture.

        IMG_20200708_171517.jpg

        I think those might be down to Slicer settings, it looks like it does some sort of wipe at those points.

        I'm going to try printing a few other things and see how to dial in all the settings.

        If you guys have any suggestions, I'd welcome them.

        Thanks for all your help!

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
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          Thin prints like that with short layer times are going to have artifacts like that, so don't worry about it too much.

          It looks like you could level the bed a bit more, but it could also be some skew in the axis itself, which you can't really level out. You can try upping the number of points to get some more detail.

          You can also reduce the first layer speed and increase the bed and nozzle temp a bit to help adhesion. Your extruder should be well calibrated as well.

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          • Kweakuiundefined
            Kweakui
            last edited by Kweakui

            I'll try lowering the speed of the first layer, I tried printing a benchy, the brim seemed to print fine, but the actual benchy wouldn't stick in the middle of the bed. I'll also try upping the bed temp and nozzle a bit.

            I did go through the bed and nozzle calibration while doing the rest, I think they're well calibrated now.

            I'll get this eventually...

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
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              To help with baby stepping adjustments you can set your M208 Z axis minima value slightly negative like -1 so that you can go below what the firmware assumes is the bed surface, but be careful because it will also allow you to go below what the firmware thinks is the bed surface.

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              • Kweakuiundefined
                Kweakui
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                So I lowered the first layer speed (down to 15mm) I also bumped up the temp of the plate by 5 degrees (65 now) and the only way I was able to get it to stick was using a layer of glue stick, it's printing a benchy now, I'll see what it looks like after..

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator
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                  I found that glass has to be perfectly clean to stick well without using some adhesive. Try giving it a wash with some warm soapy water and then a wipe with IPA.

                  65c may be the heater temp, but the actual surface may be substantially lower, so don't worry so much about the number, use whatever value works. So try 70, or even 75.

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                  • baird1faundefined
                    baird1fa
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                    I personally like glue stick as it give a release agent also. You can wash the glue stick away from between the part and the bed.

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                    • Kweakuiundefined
                      Kweakui
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                      So The benchy printed, I still need to do some tweaking to get it printing perfectly, but it's printing now which is important, in celebration, I did a 14 hour print, a little planter with multiple compartments.

                      It printed out almost perfectly.

                      Thanks so much guys, your help was what got me back up and running.

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                      • Kweakuiundefined
                        Kweakui @Phaedrux
                        last edited by

                        @Phaedrux I'm using the official creality glass bed, it has some coating on it that's supposed to help prints stick when hot and release when cool, but it still has issues some times, I'll try a cleaning before each print and see if that helps any. In the beginning, I don't remember having to clean the bed every time and it was sticking great.

                        I'll try to bump it up a bit to see what happens (I can also measure the temp at the surface of the bed, so I can base the setting on that when I do).

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator @Kweakui
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                          @Kweakui said in Pretty much at my wit's end:

                          In the beginning, I don't remember having to clean the bed every time and it was sticking great.

                          Many moons ago I could run a mile without breaking a sweat, but no longer. We all decline with age in some ways.

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                          • Kweakuiundefined
                            Kweakui @Phaedrux
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                            @Phaedrux True.

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                            • baird1faundefined
                              baird1fa
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                              that is a common complaint on a facebook group for the ender 5's. I just use regular borosilicate glass with the glue.

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                              • hayseed_byteundefined
                                hayseed_byte
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                                @Kweakui said in Pretty much at my wit's end:

                                @Phaedrux I'm using the official creality glass bed, it has some coating on it that's supposed to help prints stick when hot and release when cool, but it still has issues some times, I'll try a cleaning before each print and see if that helps any. In the beginning, I don't remember having to clean the bed every time and it was sticking great.

                                I've tried those Creality glass beds on a couple of my Ender 3's and they work great for a little while but after 20 prints or so things don't want to stick. I just applied a sheet of PEI to the opposite side and print on that. Glass+PEI is the print surface on nine of my ten printers. The tenth one is the printer I built myself and it has Mic-6 aluminum with a sheet of PEI.

                                TLDR: Get a sheet of PEI for your glass and forget about adhesion problems. 🙂

                                https://wildbot.me/wildbot
                                Gcode Definitions for VSCode extension: https://github.com/hayseedbyte/rrf-gcode-definitions

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