3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!
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@arhi you seem to be assuming home/personal 3D printing (at least, that's what it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong). I think this is targeted at industrial 3D printing (e.g. I'm not likely to be printing blood vessels at home). With that in mind, all aforementioned watermarking techniques are viable, as the manufacturer is in control of design through to print, and they (or state actors they must legally oblige) are the ones wanting to add these tracking facilities. However, as you and I both mentioned above, this isn't unique to 3D printing. Many things have serial numbers that could be tracked printed on them. Anything with any kind of (2D) printed pattern/design/whatever on them could have traditional (2D) printer tracking dots on them. But just because it's applicable elsewhere doesn't undermine what the paper is getting at. I agree that the article is clickbait, but I believe the paper itself to be reasonable.
They're also talking about a voluntary code of conduct, not regulation. The core of the whole thing being simply "let's all agree to make our watermarks plainly visible". That's it. That's all they're trying to achieve.
You speak of FUD yet...
this modern policy of getting offended when someone has a different opinion
Seems the only one offended by a difference in opinions here is you.
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I think he's read "Rule 34" - by Charles Stross, a dystopian near future novel involving 3Dprinting - it's a good read.
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@keyz182 said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
I think this is targeted at industrial 3D printing
Well, how is industrial 3D printing type of manufacturing any different than any other industrial manufacturing? 99.9% of the items you have in your house are trackable (they have at least serial number).
Medical stuff is all laser marked with a serial number, every screw in your new knee, every metal, plastic, rubber, silicone part is tagged so it can be tracked. There's no "watermarking", there's a plain and simple serial number.
I do not see a single thing that makes 3D printing in the industry different from any other manufacturing process in the industry with regards to privacy.
I'm assuming "personal" as with personal you have some idea of privacy that is maybe false.
voluntary code of conduct
it's how it starts :), and I assume we can all agree that noting "voluntary" can stop anyone wanting to perform "evil" (can't remember the proper English word but I'm sure you understand the meaning) act.
IMHO this is just another attempt to sneak more DMCA BS into the whole infrastructure pushing for DMCA capable formats to became new standard under the pretense of "privacy". I hope, I really do hope, I'm wrong.
Seems the only one offended by a difference in opinions here is you
Offended?!?! What would give you that idea? Takes a lot to offend me, and for someone, I don't even know, that would be quite an impossible task. I'm just stating what I think and why I think that, and just like I don't expect that to offend anyone I don't get offended by what anyone else think. BTW "policy of getting offended" was not directed towards participants of this topic but as a general thing being overly present in lot of modern BS articles like the one we are talking about (not directly present in this one but close).
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@stewwy said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
I think he's read "Rule 34" - by Charles Stross, a dystopian near future novel involving 3Dprinting - it's a good read.
Did he ever finish the 3rd book? I understood the halting state and rule34 were supposed to be part of trilogy...
Cory's "makers" might be more close to reality I fear
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The first paragraph was enough to label the article garbage.
And that is 10 seconds of my life I will never get back.
Frederick
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He abandoned it sometime after 2018 according to his wiki.
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@stewwy said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
He abandoned it sometime after 2018 according to his wiki.
Who abandoned what?
Frederick
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@fcwilt said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
@stewwy said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
He abandoned it sometime after 2018 according to his wiki.
Who abandoned what?
Frederick
Charles Stross, his trilogy .. he gave up on the third book, looks like it
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I didn't read this whole thread, are they taking about forensic fingerprinting a 3d print to tell who's machine it came from?
They've been doing that for years. They did it with typewriters.
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The experts do not believe self-regulation would be sufficient without oversight. The new regulatory body could be organized by existing licensing organizations such as the UK Copyright Hub, National Copyright Administration of China, the UK Intellectual Property Office, the Copyright Tribunal, or Information Commissioners Office.
Dr. Griffin said: "Digital watermarking and 3-D printed products present a future where objects can be searched for with nothing more than the equivalent of a Google search word. 3-D printing and digital watermarking specifically has not been considered by any government or regulatory body, nor has there been any regulatory research carried out on the matter. Our proposals help to ensure the protection of individual privacy in an increasingly digitized world."
"Oh noes! Someone's gonna print my thing and I'm not gonna get paid for it!"
The only other thing I can imagine from that article, which had quite a few glaring typos such as:
Legally governing 3-D printing is not straightforward as the underlying technologies are so precise. With 4-D printing objects print themselves and the use of augmented and virtual reality allows for enhanced tracking.
What? So someone in biomed 3d prints me some new arteries for some reason and they get installed. They propose all the tracking with copyright orgs so that the design of my arteries is protected?
Lol no. They want to have a formal way to sue the pants off amateur CAD designers for infringing copyright / patents whether intentionally or not.
. . . a new voluntary code of conduct to protect people's privacy, and a regulatory body to provide guidance and oversight.
Oh yeah, a regulatory body to just provide guidance and oversight. Right up until the lobbyists walk into parliament offices / congress. The pandering is not subtle.
Not sure if this paper is "I need to keep my tenure" or "please hire me away from this University"
Some more goodies:
. . . to trace, track and observe objects, which can reveal an incredible amount of information about the users of such content."
Oh yeah, good point. Like being seen using an Adroid phone? Or wearing Airpods? Or the carrier branding on your phone's exterior? How about the information your personal transport provides about you? Brand names on clothes? What about the home you live in?
The experts carried out 30 in-depth interviews with representatives from Chinese 3-D printing companies.
Mmhm. Best to consult the experts when it comes to privacy issues / tracking / intellectual property rights.
The article is kind of gross. The linked article gives it all away:
Academics will analyse what the impact of this system would be on copyright law. Credit: Shutterstock
So this article is a remix of another article which is itself a follow-up to a third article. That's quality content right there.
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@deadwood83 said in 3D printing is killing our Privacy!!11!:
They want to have a formal way to sue the pants off amateur CAD designers for infringing copyright / patents whether intentionally or not.
exactly .. trying to sneak DMCA under veil of "privacy protection"
