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    • Perttiundefined
      Pertti
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      ok, I try tool change macros.
      I found commands G91 X0 Y0 Z0.5 to set relative position and
      G92 X0 Y0 Z0 to pull it back to absolute coordinates

      Pertti
      “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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      • Perttiundefined
        Pertti
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        Ok, I put z value to 0.6 but that did not work, also -0.6 had no effect. Config.g looks like this:

        M563 P1 D1 H2 F0 ; define tool 1
        G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0.6 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
        G10 P2 R140 S0 ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C

        Pertti
        “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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        • Phaedruxundefined
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          @Pertti said in Lifting extruder E1 0.5mm:

          G92 X0 Y0 Z0 to pull it back to absolute coordinates

          G92 sets the current position
          G90 is absolute positioning
          G91 is relative positioning

          Are you trying to set an offset or lift the tool?

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          • Perttiundefined
            Pertti
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            I'm trying to lift the inactive printhead while the is active is deployed.

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
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              Does it have it's own independent z axis? What actuates the lifting?

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              • Perttiundefined
                Pertti
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                The bed is supposed to move up a little while E0 is active. I have a separate actuator to E1, which goes up when not used.

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                • Perttiundefined
                  Pertti
                  last edited by

                  Ok, I am lifting both bed and the other printhead. But E0 is "static" and E1 is movable. Sorry I was not clear enough.

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                  • Perttiundefined
                    Pertti
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                    Hope this picture clarifies my idea.
                    Extruders.jpg

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                    • Perttiundefined
                      Pertti
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                      Looks like Cura extruder starting code (absolute) has effect only in the beginning of the sift (E0---E1), It moves Z immediately back. If I use relative coordinates then the printhead runs at the opposite corner...outch!
                      Maybe it is better to provide an actuator to both hotends.

                      Pertti
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                      • Phaedruxundefined
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                        last edited by Phaedrux

                        How much travel do you have on E1? I think what you want to do should work, but I'm not sure of the best tool change code to achieve it.

                        How is E1 lifted? What is the mechanism? Does it have its own axis? Is it a servo?

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                        • Perttiundefined
                          Pertti
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                          Here´s the mechanism from a recycled cd-rom station.

                          1. filament input
                          2. moving sleigh
                            hotend is not in this picture, but I use cr-10 style one.
                            Now the interesting part is how to move the hotend. I think I open a new thread for that. It uses the E1 steppermotor.
                            The filament pushes the nose down when extruding.
                            The movement is around 1mm. I want to keep it as small as possible. Of course this needs many details and a lot of tuning, but I think I can make it work. I have not seen this kind of mechanism being used, so I can call it my invention. If somebody has seen this kind of solution before, please tell...
                            sleigh.JPG

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                          “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator @Pertti
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                            @Pertti said in Lifting extruder E1 0.5mm:

                            It uses the E1 steppermotor.

                            What axis have you assigned it?

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                            • Perttiundefined
                              Pertti
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                              No axis at all. The moving force comes by the filament. When extruding, the pressure pushes the nozzle down.

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                              “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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                              • Perttiundefined
                                Pertti
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                                Axis E1 is signed to the steppermotor E1

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                                “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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                                • Phaedruxundefined
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                                  So it's a passive system based on if it's extruding or not?

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                                  • Perttiundefined
                                    Pertti @Phaedrux
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                                    @Phaedrux -Yes.

                                    Pertti
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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
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                                      That's very interesting, but I'm not sure how to make that work. Your original post talks about using the Z motor to move it, but I don't see how you mean to use that.

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                                      • Perttiundefined
                                        Pertti
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                                        Actually Z motor is used in the first place for "negative z-hop" for the E1 extruder, which is static. Anyway I quit that idea and moved to make both extruders dynamic. I completed the idea with 2 pc Linear Guide MGN12H.

                                        Moving nozzle1.mp4

                                        Pertti
                                        “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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                                        • Perttiundefined
                                          Pertti @Pertti
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                                          @Pertti model 6 cm.jpg
                                          Here's an example print of 6 cm x 6 cm

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                                          “A winner is just a loser who tried one more time.”
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