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    • sozkanundefined
      sozkan @sozkan
      last edited by

      @sozkan
      I will make a conclusion for newcomers especially PT100 or dyze-design Typhoon users.

      • Hardware: Duet 2 Wifi v1.04
      • Daughter Board: v1.1 (max31865)
      • Heat Bed Sensor: an NTC 100k Thermistor connected to the board heat bed connector.
      • Hotend Sensors: 2 Piece of 2 wire PT100 type sensors comes with Dyze-Design Typhoon HotEnd.

      Working Configuratuin Code :

      ; Bed Heater
      M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138     ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
      M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                              ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
      M307 H0 B1 S1.00                                   ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
      M140 H0                                            ; map heated bed to heater 0
      M143 H0 S120                                       ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
      
      ; HotEnd 
      M308 S1 P"spi.cs1" Y"rtd-max31865"    		 	; configure sensor 1 as PT100 on pin e0temp
      M308 S2 P"spi.cs2" Y"rtd-max31865"             ; configure sensor 2 as PT100 on pin e1temp
      M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                               ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
      M950 H2 C"e1heat" T2                               ; create nozzle heater output on e1heat and map it to sensor 2
      M307 H1 B0 S0.50                                   ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
      M307 H2 B0 S0.50                                   ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
      M143 H1 S480 ;Set temperature max temp:
      M143 H2 S480 ;Set temperature max temp:
      
      ; Fans
      M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500                               ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
      M106 P0 S1 H2:1 T45                                ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
      
      ; Tools
      M563 P0 D0 H1:2 F0 S"Typhoon"                      ; define tool 0
      
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      • A Former User?
        A Former User @sozkan
        last edited by

        However, in the Duet documentation, this "R4700 " was recommended!

        Only for pt1000? If not please point to where you found it so it can be corrected.

        . I assume PT100 cable length resistance might cause the difference right?

        Could be, use (3 or) 4 wire measurements to eliminate cable lenght as an issue

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        • sozkanundefined
          sozkan @A Former User
          last edited by sozkan

          @bearer said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

          for pt1000? If not please point to where y

          It is here in the DyzeDesign documentation:
          https://docs.dyzedesign.com/typhoon.html#reprap-firmware
          Dyze.png

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            that is not the official duet documentation.

            the official duet documentation says
            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M308_Set_or_report_sensor_parameters

            Rnnn Series resistor value. Leave blank to use the default for your board.

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            • sozkanundefined
              sozkan @Veti
              last edited by

              @Veti said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

              that is not the official duet documentation.

              the official duet documentation says
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M308_Set_or_report_sensor_parameters

              Rnnn Series resistor value. Leave blank to use the default for your board.

              I believe it is Official documentations; R values for the Duet Wifi "R4700" But it did not work with our case. That`s what I mean.
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_The_M305_M308_R_parameter

              I don`t blame, that's just feedback from the user perspective.

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              • Vetiundefined
                Veti @sozkan
                last edited by

                @sozkan said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                R values for the Duet Wifi "R4700" But it did not work with our case.

                that is true for the normal thermistor on the duet.
                its not true for the dautherboard.

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                • A Former User?
                  A Former User
                  last edited by A Former User

                  @sozkan said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                  I believe it is Official documentations; R values for the Duet Wifi "R4700" But it did not work with our case. Thats what I mean. https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_The_M305_M308_R_parameter I dont blame, that's just feedback from the user perspective.

                  but that does say PT1000 not PT100; different beasts.

                  in any case it should be ammended I guess as the current reccomendation is to leave out R unless you've modified the board or have a very early board. firmware will apply the correct value for a given board - maestro and duet 3 have different value to duet 2 wifi/ethernet

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                  • sozkanundefined
                    sozkan @A Former User
                    last edited by sozkan

                    @bearer The header starts with; "Connecting thermistors or PT1000 temperature sensors
                    The Duet series supports 4 types of temperature sensor: thermistor and PT1000, thermocouple, and PT100.
                    "

                    Since I don`t see specifically PT100 example, When I see this header, I consider this is a kind of group of sensors.
                    "This section describes how to connect thermistors or PT1000."

                    isn't it confusing?

                    However, it seems like my setup working on the ambient temperature as I share the conclusion, I don`t worry much about what it was saying.
                    Thanks for all your contribution.

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators @sozkan
                      last edited by

                      @sozkan said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                      However, in the Duet documentation, this "R4700 " was recommended!

                      Where in the documentation did you see it recommended?

                      PT100 documentation is at https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_PT100_temperature_sensors.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      • A Former User?
                        A Former User @dc42
                        last edited by

                        @dc42 said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                        Where in the documentation did you see it recommended?

                        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors

                        The Duet series supports 4 types of temperature sensor: thermistor and PT1000, thermocouple, and PT100.

                        maybe that could be re-written to something like

                        The Duet series supports 4 types of temperature sensor: PT1000, as well as PT100, NTC thermistor and thermocouple.

                        with links to the three other pages, maybe it would be clearer to those not intimately familiar with types of sensors.

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                        • sozkanundefined
                          sozkan @A Former User
                          last edited by

                          @bearer said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                          @dc42 said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                          Where in the documentation did you see it recommended?

                          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors

                          The Duet series supports 4 types of temperature sensor: thermistor and PT1000, thermocouple, and PT100.

                          maybe that could be re-written to something like

                          The Duet series supports 4 types of temperature sensor: PT1000, as well as PT100, NTC thermistor and thermocouple.

                          with links to the three other pages, maybe it would be clearer to those not intimately familiar with types of sensors.

                          Right 🙂 Thanks.

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                          • sozkanundefined
                            sozkan @dc42
                            last edited by

                            @dc42 said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                            @sozkan said in PT100 sensor and Daughter Board issue:

                            However, in the Duet documentation, this "R4700 " was recommended!

                            Where in the documentation did you see it recommended?

                            PT100 documentation is at https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_PT100_temperature_sensors.

                            Thank you very much. That`s exactly what I have done. It seems like working. I will share the youtube video on action.

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                            • theruttmeisterundefined
                              theruttmeister @sozkan
                              last edited by

                              @sozkan said

                              Heat bed and Hotend temperatures slightly different. I assume PT100 cable length resistance might cause the difference right?

                              • Heat Bed Sensor: an NTC 100k Thermistor connected to the board heat bed connector.
                              • Hotend Sensors: 2 Piece of 2 wire PT100 type sensors comes with Dyze-Design Typhoon HotEnd.

                              Without knowing exactly where Dyze get their PT100 chips from (and hence what class they are)...

                              RTD's (PT100 and PT1000's) are normally laser trimmed, platinum resistors. At room temperature they will typically be accurate to about 0.3 degrees of each other. And they are be read by a chip specifically designed to do that, so it can get better resolution across the usable range of an RTD.
                              A Thermistor on the other hand is a much lower quality device, that will probably vary by 2-3 degrees even at room temp, and due to the way it changes resistance, has less resolution at room temp. (Its not unusual for thermistors to vary by up to 20 degrees at 220C).

                              As @bearer said, 4 wire sensors would eliminate any error due to cable resistance, but for 3D printing you don't need that level of accuracy.
                              The biggest advantage of an RTD is that if you ever replace one, you'll still get the same reading at the same temperature.

                              Isolate, substitute, verify.

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                              • sozkanundefined
                                sozkan @theruttmeister
                                last edited by

                                @theruttmeister Thank you for informative writing.
                                I have an extra 8-meter length after the hot end. However, try to make ohmic losses as low as possible by using 0.75 mm cable. It seems like working ( with a 2-3 celsius difference from the Thermistor on the heat bed at room temperature) I also think that`s not an issue.
                                B. Regards.

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