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    deckingman @deckingman
    last edited by 28 Oct 2020, 22:44

    BTW, has anybody else ever reported the seemingly random hot end fan blips when the machine is otherwise idle, that I mentioned repeatedly way back then. It's a minor annoyance but if it's just my machine, I would gladly know what I can can do to fix it.

    Ian
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      A Former User @deckingman
      last edited by A Former User 29 Oct 2020, 12:00

      @deckingman said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

      BTW, has anybody else ever reported the seemingly random hot end fan blips when the machine is otherwise idle, that I mentioned repeatedly way back then. It's a minor annoyance but if it's just my machine, I would gladly know what I can can do to fix it.

      I have noticed that occurring in tandem with when my PSU internal fan kicks in at idle, so it might be related.

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        deckingman @A Former User
        last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 12:35

        @CaLviNx said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

        @deckingman said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

        BTW, has anybody else ever reported the seemingly random hot end fan blips when the machine is otherwise idle, that I mentioned repeatedly way back then. It's a minor annoyance but if it's just my machine, I would gladly know what I can can do to fix it.

        I have noticed that occurring in tandem with when my PSU internal fan kicks in at idle, so it might be related.

        Interesting..........although my PSUs are fanless so........

        Ian
        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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          dc42 administrators @A Former User
          last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 15:28

          @CaLviNx said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

          @deckingman said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

          BTW, has anybody else ever reported the seemingly random hot end fan blips when the machine is otherwise idle, that I mentioned repeatedly way back then. It's a minor annoyance but if it's just my machine, I would gladly know what I can can do to fix it.

          I have noticed that occurring in tandem with when my PSU internal fan kicks in at idle, so it might be related.

          That's interesting!

          I have 2 tools using tool boards, and I have never heard it happening.

          @deckingman , I could put some extra diagnostics in the firmware to try to track the cause down, but you would need to be using the beta firmware.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            deckingman @dc42
            last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 15:54

            @dc42 No I don't fancy the idea of running a beta firmware at this stage - it's one more potential variable that I don't want to throw into the equation. At least with 3.1.1, I know what the problems are.

            As to the issue itself, it's a minor irritation as I said at the outset. And unless you have the printer in very quiet environment with no other fans running (such as board cooling fans), and the hot end fan is reasonable noisy, you might not notice it happen unless you happen to be staring at it. It's a short blip - maybe one second or less.

            TBH, it may have even "gone away" on my machine running 3.1.1. - now that I've moved my printer out of my study into it's own "booth" in my garage, I can't say that I've noticed it (but I probably wouldn't due to the new location). Having said all that, I've just changed to liquid cooling so if it does happen again, I'd likely see/hear to coolant pump "blip" (although being a pump, it might not react to short sharp transient in any case).

            I'd guess that the only time it might be a problem is if someone happened to be poking around with the hot end fan when the "blip" happened. But even then, it's unlikely to even draw blood or do any physical harm, given the power of the average hot end fan. But it might make you jump......

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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              Phaedrux Moderator @deckingman
              last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 17:32

              @deckingman said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

              No I don't fancy the idea of running a beta firmware at this stage

              While I understand the reluctance, wouldn't it be helpful to test the firmware before release to ensure the bugs are resolved rather than wait for the final release and discover there are the same or different bugs meaning having to wait again for another firmware release? Just sayin.

              Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                dc42 administrators
                last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 17:35

                The experience so far is that beta 1 is stable, but beta 2 has a few glitches. We hope to release beta 3 next week.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                  Phaedrux Moderator @dc42
                  last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 17:41

                  @dc42 I assume there is a release candidate coming as well once it's deemed stable and feature complete?

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                    deckingman @Phaedrux
                    last edited by deckingman 29 Oct 2020, 18:24

                    @Phaedrux said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

                    @deckingman said in Whats does the roadmap look like for variables?:

                    No I don't fancy the idea of running a beta firmware at this stage

                    While I understand the reluctance, wouldn't it be helpful to test the firmware before release to ensure the bugs are resolved rather than wait for the final release and discover there are the same or different bugs meaning having to wait again for another firmware release? Just sayin.

                    Up until a few months ago I used to do exactly that. But I've had my fingers burnt a few times in the past.

                    Classic example - earlier design versions of my hot end suffered a lot of stringing and I thought it was the complexity of the mixing chamber making retractions less effective. It turns out that the cause was the poor step pulse frequency. I had been using 64x micro-stepping (because that's what I used on Duet2) but RRF 3 did not report hiccups on expansion boards so I had no way of knowing about the firmware step pulse frequency issue. It was only when 3.1.1 came along that hiccups were reported and could see immediately that I was getting very high hiccup count during retractions. So I wasted a lot of time and effort re-designing my mixing chamber to reduce stringing when all I needed to do was reduce the micro-stepping from 64X to 16X to get around the firmware problem and restore proper retractions.

                    So if something strange or unexpected does happen with this hot end version, and I change the firmware as well, I can't be sure whether any problems would be related to the design or configuration of the hot end, rather than caused by a potential bug/change in behaviour of the firmware.

                    In a nutshell, I don't have a working hot end as a baseline against which I could evaluate any firmware changes. So any feedback I could give might be flawed due to some sort of mechanical issue with my experimental hot end.

                    The old adage "change only one thing at a time" is the only sensible way to develop something IMO.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                      arhi @deckingman
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