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    • Frederikundefined
      Frederik
      last edited by

      I dont know where i can change the offset ?
      Do i have to add a command after the BLTouch Lines or change the trigger height ?

      The dozuki only says to change the G31 , but how ?!?

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      • piperswundefined
        pipersw
        last edited by

        in config.g :
        G31 P500 X-26 Y2 Z2.5 <= modify the Z, increase value for reduce height of nozzle

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        • Frederikundefined
          Frederik
          last edited by

          ok thanks , one moment i will try it

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          • Frederikundefined
            Frederik
            last edited by

            Is the Right way to do a bed leveling:

            first G32
            then G 28
            and then adjusting for the right layer height ?

            This is my First Printer build 🙂

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by Veti

              G29 S1 ; Load previously set bed map

              this should not be in the config.g

              the mesh should be loaded after you have established z=0

              so a good place is the start of your slicer g code

              for the offset see
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe#Section_Calibrate_the_Z_probe_trigger_height

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              • Frederikundefined
                Frederik
                last edited by

                when i run first a true bed level and then a bed mesh compensation i get the following heightmap:

                RepRapFirmware height map file v2 generated at 2020-11-20 14:53
                xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,xspacing,yspacing,xnum,ynum
                0.00,340.00,0.00,370.00,-1.00,20.00,20.00,18,19
                2.000, 1.878, 1.875, 1.890, 1.685, 1.642, 1.517, 1.442, 1.358, 1.253, 1.180, 1.145, 1.135, 1.138, 1.160, 1.177, 1.250, 1.333
                1.715, 1.562, 1.735, 1.757, 1.603, 1.550, 1.423, 1.320, 1.240, 1.132, 1.075, 1.030, 1.020, 1.020, 1.048, 1.062, 1.105, 1.183
                1.683, 1.645, 1.835, 1.725, 1.558, 1.397, 1.267, 1.160, 1.070, 1.010, 0.943, 0.925, 0.910, 0.922, 0.975, 1.005, 1.022, 1.100
                1.635, 1.677, 1.760, 1.573, 1.440, 1.302, 1.163, 1.052, 0.970, 0.905, 0.847, 0.815, 0.802, 0.815, 0.855, 0.892, 0.930, 1.010
                1.603, 1.555, 1.608, 1.442, 1.285, 1.150, 1.060, 0.953, 0.833, 0.755, 0.712, 0.690, 0.685, 0.695, 0.730, 0.770, 0.818, 0.927
                1.483, 1.513, 1.510, 1.255, 1.155, 1.025, 0.943, 0.828, 0.795, 0.685, 0.597, 0.578, 0.573, 0.578, 0.613, 0.653, 0.722, 0.812
                1.440, 1.442, 1.358, 1.160, 0.998, 0.858, 0.715, 0.642, 0.648, 0.542, 0.507, 0.507, 0.510, 0.533, 0.557, 0.610, 0.675, 0.775
                1.478, 1.415, 1.267, 1.017, 0.917, 0.797, 0.743, 0.680, 0.615, 0.605, 0.432, 0.413, 0.420, 0.440, 0.455, 0.505, 0.573, 0.677
                1.355, 1.205, 1.100, 0.875, 0.770, 0.672, 0.648, 0.590, 0.523, 0.417, 0.307, 0.300, 0.312, 0.333, 0.352, 0.392, 0.455, 0.555
                1.212, 1.145, 0.953, 0.783, 0.632, 0.550, 0.560, 0.490, 0.360, 0.280, 0.203, 0.208, 0.225, 0.233, 0.238, 0.292, 0.352, 0.453
                1.112, 1.010, 0.820, 0.632, 0.493, 0.390, 0.395, 0.347, 0.243, 0.158, 0.092, 0.100, 0.127, 0.120, 0.127, 0.163, 0.215, 0.333
                1.005, 0.875, 0.705, 0.480, 0.358, 0.243, 0.212, 0.165, 0.115, 0.045, -0.010, 0.005, 0.010, 0.007, 0.012, 0.047, 0.097, 0.212
                0.913, 0.750, 0.557, 0.318, 0.233, 0.108, 0.057, -0.002, -0.062, -0.110, -0.153, -0.148, -0.132, -0.137, -0.108, -0.068, 0.005, 0.095
                0.797, 0.625, 0.425, 0.248, 0.127, -0.012, -0.097, -0.160, -0.220, -0.270, -0.283, -0.288, -0.270, -0.265, -0.227, -0.158, -0.105, -0.023
                0.698, 0.483, 0.167, 0.115, -0.005, -0.145, -0.248, -0.302, -0.368, -0.440, -0.453, -0.475, -0.470, -0.430, -0.387, -0.315, -0.265, -0.182
                0.500, 0.312, 0.070, -0.078, -0.193, -0.310, -0.408, -0.467, -0.552, -0.592, -0.575, -0.573, -0.578, -0.547, -0.495, -0.427, -0.350, -0.267
                0.358, 0.160, -0.092, -0.172, -0.295, -0.415, -0.500, -0.573, -0.642, -0.665, -0.627, -0.595, -0.637, -0.640, -0.583, -0.515, -0.438, -0.347
                0.265, 0.068, -0.240, -0.307, -0.420, -0.557, -0.640, -0.690, -0.735, -0.715, -0.660, -0.653, -0.730, -0.743, -0.698, -0.627, -0.542, -0.432
                0.105, -0.070, -0.250, -0.320, -0.557, -0.677, -0.762, -0.797, -0.802, -0.773, -0.743, -0.795, -0.852, -0.833, -0.752, -0.670, -0.625, -0.517

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                • Frederikundefined
                  Frederik
                  last edited by

                  2020-11-20_15h00_22.png

                  That is the orresponding height map picture from my DWC

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti
                    last edited by

                    post the output of 3 consecutive G32.

                    most likely your motor order is wrong

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                    • Frederikundefined
                      Frederik
                      last edited by

                      1.G32
                      Leadjustments made: -2.618 -0.246 -0.521, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (-0.997, 0.862) after (0.000, 0.000)

                      2.G32
                      Leadscrew adjustments made: -0.054 1.112 0.200, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (0.399, 0.459) after (-0.000, 0.000)

                      3.G32
                      Leadscrew adjustments made: 0.044 0.756 -0.011, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (0.228, 0.321) after (0.000, 0.000)

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                      • Frederikundefined
                        Frederik
                        last edited by

                        i´ve checked the cabling.

                        left front spindle is connected to driver 2
                        back center spindle to driver 3
                        right front spindle to driver 4

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                        • fcwiltundefined
                          fcwilt @Frederik
                          last edited by fcwilt

                          Hi,

                          Do you lead screws really have pitch of 1.25?

                          Regards bed.g:

                          I'm not sure what having two P parameters is going to do to your bed leveling.

                          Why did you add the second P1.25?

                          Frederick

                          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti @fcwilt
                            last edited by

                            @fcwilt said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                            Do you lead screws really have pitch of 1.25?

                            he has z400. where did you see 1.25 leadscrew?
                            M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z400.00 E830.00 ; set steps per mm

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                            • Vetiundefined
                              Veti @Frederik
                              last edited by

                              @Frederik said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                              1.G32
                              Leadjustments made: -2.618 -0.246 -0.521, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (-0.997, 0.862) after (0.000, 0.000)
                              2.G32
                              Leadscrew adjustments made: -0.054 1.112 0.200, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (0.399, 0.459) after (-0.000, 0.000)
                              3.G32
                              Leadscrew adjustments made: 0.044 0.756 -0.011, points used 3, (mean, deviation) before (0.228, 0.321) after (0.000, 0.000)

                              that seems to be converging. can you run a g29 now and post the picture

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                              • fcwiltundefined
                                fcwilt @Veti
                                last edited by

                                @Veti said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                                @fcwilt said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                                Do you lead screws really have pitch of 1.25?

                                he has z400. where did you see 1.25 leadscrew?
                                M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z400.00 E830.00 ; set steps per mm

                                See his bed.g file.

                                He has two P parameters for each G30. Not sure if that is messing things up or not.

                                Frederick

                                Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                • Vetiundefined
                                  Veti @fcwilt
                                  last edited by

                                  @fcwilt

                                  good catch.
                                  yes the second P1.25 parameter should be removed. this is not a valid parameter for G30
                                  your pitch is 8mm btw.

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                                  • fcwiltundefined
                                    fcwilt @Veti
                                    last edited by

                                    @Veti said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                                    your pitch is 8mm btw.

                                    How can we be sure the pitch is 8mm? The config values might be wrong. Maybe the comment in bed.g is correct?

                                    Clarification is needed from the OP.

                                    Frederick

                                    Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                    • Frederikundefined
                                      Frederik
                                      last edited by

                                      ok ,i have changed it.

                                      is it possible to create a homez.g file where it automatically probes the bed on three points and enable compensation ?

                                      perhaps like :

                                      ; homez.g
                                      ; called to home the Z axis
                                      ;
                                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.7 on Wed Nov 18 2020 18:04:17 GMT+0100 (Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit)

                                      G91 ; relative positioning
                                      G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
                                      G90 ; absolute positioning
                                      G1 X240 Y220 F6000 ; go to first probe point
                                      G32 ; home Z by True bed leveling 3 points in bed.g

                                      or do i have to include the three positions like

                                      G91 ; relative positioning
                                      G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
                                      G90 ; absolute positioning
                                      G1 X240 Y220 F6000 ; go to first probe point
                                      G30 P0 X330 Y240 Z-9999 ; Front Left
                                      G30 P1 X150 Y0 Z-9999 ; Middle Back
                                      G30 P2 X0 Y248 Z-9999 S3 ; Front Right and compensate 3mm

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti @Frederik
                                        last edited by

                                        @Frederik

                                        create a macro that calls G28 and G32

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                                        • Vetiundefined
                                          Veti @fcwilt
                                          last edited by Veti

                                          @fcwilt said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                                          How can we be sure the pitch is 8mm?

                                          i cant, but there is a very high chance that isnt a M8 metric lead screw.

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                                          • fcwiltundefined
                                            fcwilt @Frederik
                                            last edited by

                                            @Frederik said in First Layer and Extrusion Problems:

                                            is it possible to create a homez.g file where it automatically probes the bed on three points and enable compensation ?

                                            Yes.

                                            But let's get some terminology straight - bed leveling is not homing.

                                            Bed leveling does what the term suggests - it tries to level the bed.

                                            Homing is the process of determining that an axis has moved to some known position "telling" the firmware where the hardware actually is.

                                            Generally you need to:

                                            • home Z using G28 Z
                                            • level the bed using G32 and a correctly created bed.g file
                                            • set the Z=0 datum using a single G30 and the correct position for the probe point
                                            • load the height map (if you have created one) using G29 S1

                                            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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