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Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update

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    Veti @nomukaiki
    last edited by 12 Nov 2020, 18:05

    @nomukaiki

    btw i just came across this on singles day
    https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001515387922.html

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      nomukaiki @Veti
      last edited by 12 Nov 2020, 18:08

      @Veti said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:

      @nomukaiki

      btw i just came across this on singles day
      https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001515387922.html

      We should start another topic to share info about Troodon/Voron printers!
      But thanks for sharing the link, great finding! I definitely need that upgrade!

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        FlyByWire
        last edited by 16 Nov 2020, 08:08

        @nomukaiki: Thanks, meanwhile I did order an Troodon 300 too. I will upgrade to DDE, but good to hear that the machine is working nice out of the box!

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          Robthide37 @Phaedrux
          last edited by 24 Nov 2020, 01:52

          @Phaedrux k i installed klipper and had two things one is i found out that its reading the stallgaurd as short to ground on coil b so it is something with teh way the external steppers connect the diag pin or maybe diff sense resistor. so should be able disable the sg registers and then would work i think . And the other thing is do you knwo what pin the mcu temp is on cuase in rrf its predefined but i don't know if its spi bus or if its just a themistor on a internal pin ?

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            Phaedrux Moderator @Robthide37
            last edited by 24 Nov 2020, 03:09

            @Robthide37 Probably best to start a new thread with your questions.

            Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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              mikejr83
              last edited by 24 Nov 2020, 17:51

              Hi all! I just finished reading through the thread. I'd really like to pick up a Troodon. They're on sale at the moment! I had been looking to get a Voron or clone but want to order one "thing", be it a partial assembled printer or whole kit, and assemble it as opposed to ordering parts from vendor X and other stuff from vendor Y. I figured that the Troodon would be the closest I could get.

              Anyhow, I stumbled on this thread while attempting to perform some due diligence. As others have noted there is no firmware download located on their website. This concerned me and Googling for "Troodon Firmware" presents this thread as the first result.

              I thought I would add my voice in for wondering about where the current situation is with respect to newer firmware versions appearing on this machine. I obviously do not expect the Duet3D project and maintainers to be investing a large amount of time or effort supporting a cloned product, and I applaud the helpful questions and answers that are here. I am more wondering: Is there is any active work trying to debug it or the situation is more in Vivedino's court?

              One last thing, for those of you who have this printer, what is your perception on the level of difficulty in changing the current controller out to an official Duet setup? I had hoped that if the board with the Troodon was a clone that they would at least have used similar connectors to the point where it the only hassle would be mounting the required two Duet boards.

              One thing about these "cheaper" printers is that they use these clone parts. It keeps the price down and I don't mind it so much. However, as I get accustomed to the printer I almost always replace the cloned parts for the real deal. For instance, I'm not going to bother with their Mosquito clone. I'd much rather get the real one from Slice Engineering and support them. Suffice to say, I hope to do the same with the board regardless of the ability to get Vivedino firmware updates or make my own. My large concern is that I'm now seeing that the version of firmware on this printer is a major revision old. I'd like to at least be able to get to a later version before I introduced the change in hardware.

              Thanks again for everyone contributing to the conversation!

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                Veti @mikejr83
                last edited by 24 Nov 2020, 18:31

                @mikejr83 said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:

                One last thing, for those of you who have this printer, what is your perception on the level of difficulty in changing the current controller out to an official Duet setup? I had hoped that if the board with the Troodon was a clone that they would at least have used similar connectors to the point where it the only hassle would be mounting the required two Duet boards.

                it depends which duet you are gonna get.
                obviously i cant say anything about mounting the board itself.

                assuming that you would want to get a duet 3 when upgrading, you will need to recrimpt the connectors for the motors, paneldue and hotend connectors. the fan connectors can stay the same, but you need to change the housing on the endstop probe connectors.
                the config you can take as a starting and need to change the pin names.

                i dont think it will be that much work.

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                  nomukaiki @Veti
                  last edited by 24 Nov 2020, 19:02

                  @Veti said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:

                  @mikejr83 said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:

                  One last thing, for those of you who have this printer, what is your perception on the level of difficulty in changing the current controller out to an official Duet setup? I had hoped that if the board with the Troodon was a clone that they would at least have used similar connectors to the point where it the only hassle would be mounting the required two Duet boards.

                  it depends which duet you are gonna get.
                  obviously i cant say anything about mounting the board itself.

                  assuming that you would want to get a duet 3 when upgrading, you will need to recrimpt the connectors for the motors, paneldue and hotend connectors. the fan connectors can stay the same, but you need to change the housing on the endstop probe connectors.
                  the config you can take as a starting and need to change the pin names.

                  i dont think it will be that much work.

                  I agree with this comment. It doesn't seem to be a difficult job to replace the board, since all the parts are the most common ones, only the board is bespoke. I also feel that the clone board is also compatible with latest duet firmware, the challenge is getting the correct pins/names and settings in the config.g . I did upgrade successfully to 3.2beta but getting the settings migrated is a different story, and is it really worth it? Why change what's not broken?

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                    Veti @nomukaiki
                    last edited by 25 Nov 2020, 06:01

                    @nomukaiki said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:

                    clone board

                    its not technically a cloned board. its a compatible board. since they designed their own board which is pin compatible with replaceable drivers.

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                      Robthide37 @nomukaiki
                      last edited by 26 Nov 2020, 02:48

                      @nomukaiki The prob is the stallgaurd pin is not correctly routed its a hardware prob that can be worked around in source code i am sure but you would have to compile your own version

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                        Veti
                        last edited by 26 Nov 2020, 05:11

                        dont use stallguard then.

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                          Robthide37 @Veti
                          last edited by 5 Dec 2020, 17:37

                          @Veti You did not read the thread i assume lol

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                            Veti @Robthide37
                            last edited by 5 Dec 2020, 17:43

                            @Robthide37
                            not the klipper part.

                            would it be possible to cut the pin on the driver?

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                              nomukaiki
                              last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 11:34

                              Has anyone tested the Troodon with the latest release v3.2 ?

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                                Guzzi
                                last edited by 12 Jun 2021, 20:31

                                Just tried the PRF 3.3RC3 with the same result! No changes so far!motor phase A may be disconnected_release_3.3RC3.jpg

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                                  koreandi
                                  last edited by 25 Nov 2021, 05:29

                                  Good morning together..

                                  I just got a Vivedino Trodoon 400.
                                  It ran with Duet 2.x and I wanted to upgrade it to an actual Duet Firmware.

                                  However.. After upgrading to 3.0 all seemed to work fine.
                                  After upgrading to 3.3 I got the same issues as reported by Guzzi.

                                  I should have read this topic before upgrading my system. 🙂

                                  I am not able to downgrade the Firmware to earlier FW releases.
                                  After uploading the Firmware the machine refuses to upgrade with error, something like that:

                                  M997 In-application programming binary Duet2_SDiap32_WiFiEth.bin not found
                                  

                                  Even if I manual put this file in to System it does not work.

                                  Any tipps or workflows how to downgrade back to 3.0?
                                  I have read different topics but it was too much input last night and I had to got to bed...

                                  greetings
                                  Andreas

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                                    PCR @koreandi
                                    last edited by 25 Nov 2021, 05:41

                                    @koreandi was already fixed. Try updating to 3.4B6

                                    All hail to @oliof who bought a formbot board only to solve the issue.

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                                      koreandi @PCR
                                      last edited by 25 Nov 2021, 06:50

                                      @PCR
                                      Sounds great. I didn´t considered any beta realeses till now.
                                      I will try that in the afternoon and will report about it.

                                      Thanks a lot.

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                                        koreandi @PCR
                                        last edited by 25 Nov 2021, 16:52

                                        @pcr
                                        Hmm. I still don´t manage to get any other version installed.
                                        Still the same message:

                                        Error: M997: In-application programming binary "0:/firmware/Duet2_SDiap32_WiFiEth.bin" not found

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                                          koreandi @koreandi
                                          last edited by 25 Nov 2021, 16:58

                                          @koreandi
                                          Okay.. I rerolled 3.3 and afterwards 3.4B6 worked...
                                          I will test the functions.

                                          Thanks a lot.

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