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    • Thaliosundefined
      Thalios
      last edited by

      Thanks for the pointers. It makes sense.

      I will look into either slowing it down or getting a smaller nozzle (which would suck because it's a NozzleX at 50$CDN)

      Railcore II 300ZL with lots of upgrades (Duet 3 6HC)
      Heavily modified Ender 3 Pro (Duet 3 6HC)
      Heavily modified Tronxy X5SA-500 Pro with Chimera+ and dual bondtech (Duet 3 6HC)
      CR-10S Pro V2 (Duet 3 Mini 5+)
      and a bunch of SLA printers..

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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti @Thalios
        last edited by

        @Thalios said in Problem with delamination:

        I will look into either slowing it down or getting a smaller nozzle (which would suck because it's a NozzleX at 50$CDN)

        you could get a mosquito hotend, you can use the standard nozzles with it.

        https://www.sliceengineering.com/collections/mosquito-the-professional-hotend/products/mosquito-magnum™-hotend

        The Mosquito® Magnum prints upwards of 30 mm^3/sec

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        • Thaliosundefined
          Thalios
          last edited by

          Well I have the Chimera+ on it, which I paid lots of $ for. would suck to toss that away.

          Railcore II 300ZL with lots of upgrades (Duet 3 6HC)
          Heavily modified Ender 3 Pro (Duet 3 6HC)
          Heavily modified Tronxy X5SA-500 Pro with Chimera+ and dual bondtech (Duet 3 6HC)
          CR-10S Pro V2 (Duet 3 Mini 5+)
          and a bunch of SLA printers..

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by Phaedrux

            Well you're only printing at 220c. Try 260c and see what kind of a flow rate you can get. Getting close to 50mm/s should be possible.

            The layer height is also quite high. Try a layer height of 0.4 and an extrusion width of 0.82.

            That would get you to 40mm/s and the lower layer height and higher temp should help a lot with layer adhesion.

            And if you do the calibration of the extruder as in that link you'll be able to find out your actual limit, which makes figuring out the optimal values a lot easier.

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti @Thalios
              last edited by Veti

              @Thalios said in Problem with delamination:

              Well I have the Chimera+ on it, which I paid lots of $ for. would suck to toss that away.

              well then go with jamesm idea and get a volcano heater block

              https://e3d-online.com/products/volcano-upgrade-kit but you can use your nozzle

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              • jens55undefined
                jens55
                last edited by

                Going from 220C to 260C would be ok while you are printing a high volume but what would happen if you are printing a section that requires a lower volume of filament? Seems to me that this is just asking for other issues down the road. Maybe 10 or 20 degrees higher but 40 degrees ?

                BTW, I use a Chimera (clone) and a Volcano (clone) heater block but even with that, I think 22 mm^3 would be asking a lot. It's been a while since I have done high volume printing so I am not betting my life on it but I seem to recall that I set my limit to 20 mm^3 (without tweaking the heat of the nozzle)

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                • Thaliosundefined
                  Thalios @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Veti The Nozzle for the Volcano is different, it has longer threads.

                  I'll try Phaedrux's idea of increasing temperature.

                  On a side note though, the plastic does come out super easily when printing at these speeds. It works great for smaller prints and for the first 3-4 layers. It'S the walls that are not sticking.

                  I'll try some of these answers tonight and will report back.

                  Railcore II 300ZL with lots of upgrades (Duet 3 6HC)
                  Heavily modified Ender 3 Pro (Duet 3 6HC)
                  Heavily modified Tronxy X5SA-500 Pro with Chimera+ and dual bondtech (Duet 3 6HC)
                  CR-10S Pro V2 (Duet 3 Mini 5+)
                  and a bunch of SLA printers..

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti @Thalios
                    last edited by

                    @Thalios said in Problem with delamination:

                    The Nozzle for the Volcano is different, it has longer threads.

                    yes i mistyped

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                    • Thaliosundefined
                      Thalios
                      last edited by

                      Well I followed a bunch of these recommendations and you know what? Success! The print is very clean and very solid.

                      I slowed down to 40mm/s
                      increased to 0.82mm layer width
                      Slowed fan to 25%
                      Layer height at 0.52mm
                      Temp at 225°

                      Railcore II 300ZL with lots of upgrades (Duet 3 6HC)
                      Heavily modified Ender 3 Pro (Duet 3 6HC)
                      Heavily modified Tronxy X5SA-500 Pro with Chimera+ and dual bondtech (Duet 3 6HC)
                      CR-10S Pro V2 (Duet 3 Mini 5+)
                      and a bunch of SLA printers..

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                      • theruttmeisterundefined
                        theruttmeister
                        last edited by

                        Even at 0.82 EW you are running a ratio of around 1.4.

                        I would strongly recommend that you never go below a extrusion width / layer height of 1.6
                        It will print, but increasing that ratio increases inter-layer bonding strength and hence overall part strength.
                        2:1 is a great rule of thumb. Really high ratios become a problem for other reasons.

                        Isolate, substitute, verify.

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