Bltouch oddity

Phaedrux

Most of your config is down one more layer of macros. Can you upload all of the macros called with M98?

BjornH

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BjornH

; machine_probe.g
; June 29, 2018

; This document tells the printer which Z probe to use and what the offsets of that probe are.
; For X and Y offset, use a caliper and measure the distance between the center of the nozzle
; and the part of the probe that measures the bed.
; If the probe is to the right of the nozzle, the X value is positive
; If the probe is to the left of the nozzle, the X value is negative
; If the probe is behind the nozzle, the Y value is positive
; If the probe is in front of the nozzle, the Y value is negative

; To select which probe to use, comment / uncomment ONE of the two M558 lines below.

; Determine the Probe Z Offset:
;  1. Heat the bed to 60C and the nozzle to 150C
;  2. Move the head near the center with G1 X200 Y200
;  3. Move the bed near the nozzle with G1 Z20
;  4. Disable the bed mesh with G29 S2, do this twice
;  5. Move the bed in small steps so it just touches the nozzle, 1mm steps first, then 0.1mm steps
;  6. Set the Z0 position with G92 Z0
;  7. Move the bed back to Z20, with G1 Z20
;  8. Deploy the probe if necessary
;  9. Get the Z Probe value with G30 S-1
; 10. Note the Z value in the Web UI and update it in the G31 Z parameter below
; 11. Put the Z probe away if necessary

; Toggle by uncommenting, depending on preference
; M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z1 H5 F120 T5000  ; Set Z probe type -- Enable IR_PROBE
; M558 P4 I1 X0 Y0 Z1 H5 F100 T5000 ; Set Z probe type -- Enable LIMIT SWITCH
M558 P9 H5 F100 T2000

; Remember to update your Z-probe offset with the Z parameter below
G31 P9 X30 Y-5 Z3.6   ; Set Z probe (limit switch) trigger value, offset

0:/sys/machine_bedmesh.g
; machine_bedmesh.g
; October 1, 2018

; This file defines the extent and density of the bed mesh.
; The way this is calculated is by taking the max X, subtract the Z probe X offset
; from it and use that as the second of the X values.
; For example, if max X is 383 and the Z probe X offset is -43, the parameter would be X0:340
; For the Y parameter, make sure you don't start too far to the front or you will hit
; the bed clips with the hot end.  Anywhere between 35 and 40 is probably a good start.
; The S parameter defines the distance between two mesh points in mm.

M557 X30:330 Y5:300 S60 ; Define heightmap mesh
M376 H10 ; Define height(mm) over which to taper off heightmap compensation

; machine_endstoptypes.g
; July 17, 2018

; This file defines what type of end-stops the printer is using.
; Make sure you set the correct end-stop type or your printer will grind the belts trying to reach an end-stop that isn't responding!!!

; Use this if you have an optical Z endstop
;M574 X2 Y2 S0 ; Set xy end-stops types (S0 is active low, applied to XY)
;M574 Z2 S1 ; Set z end-stops types (S1 is active high, applied to Z)

; Use this if you have a mechanical Z endstop
M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S0 ; Set xy end-stops types (S0 is active low, applied to XY)

0:/sys/machine_steppercurrent.g
; machine_steppercurrent.g
; October 1, 2018

; This document sets the stepper motor currents.
; This is an advanced feature and should only be changed if you REALLY know what you're doing!
; Increasing stepper motor currents beyond their limit can result in damage to them!

;M906 X680 Y680 Z600 E680 I60; Set motor currents (mA) and idle current percentage

M906 X680 Y680 Z800 U800 V800 E400 I60; Set motor currents (mA) and idle current percentage			NY

0:/sys/machine_stepperspeed.g
; machine_stepperspeed.g
; October 1, 2018

; This sets the different speed limits of the X Y and Z steppers.
; A higher acceleration value makes for faster print speeds, but can also introduce ghosting and other artifacts.
; The maximum linear speed should only be changed if hardware has changed
; The maximum instantaneous speed change determines how slow the print head has to move before it can make
; abrupt direction changes.
; These are advanced feature values and should only be changed for good reason and if you know how they impact prints.

M201 X3000 Y3000 Z75 U75 V75 E150 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M203 X9000 Y9000 Z700 U700 V700 E5000 ; Set maximum linear speeds
M566 X350 Y350 Z50 U50 V50 E60 ; Set maximum instantaneous
speed changes/jerk (mm/min)

0:/sys/machine_axisdimension.g
; machine_axisdimension.g
; October 4, 2018

; Set the minimum and maximum extent for each axis here.
; The minimum for the Z axis should not be more than 0.5mm past 0 under normal operation
; otherwise you risk crashing the bed when moving it too far into the nozzle.

; The max X and max Y should not need to be changed.
; The max Z needs to be at least the next higher integer than what the value was in the
; Z end stop configuration.  For example, if the Z end stop was at 376.4, max Z needs to be 377
; if the Z end stop was 377.2, max Z needs to be 378 etc.

M208 X0 Y0 Z0.0 S1    ; Set axis minima
M208 X345 Y315 Z269 S0 ; Set axis maxima

; machine_axissteps.g
; October 9, 2018

; These values define how many steps make 1mm of movement.
; Please note, only change the calibration if the measurements are always
; off by the same amount, no matter what the material, layer height or print speed.

; Here is a link on how to properly calibrate your step values.
; http://print.theporto.com/posts/how-to-calibrate-your-3d-printer-for-accurate-printing/

M350 X16 Y16 Z16		       ; Confirming default 1/16 microstepping mode for calculation, in case firmware default changes

;M92 X79.8 Y79.8 Z565,3922  ; Set axis steps/mm
M92 X80 Y80 Z800 U800 V800 ; Set axis steps/mm			NY


;M350 X32 Y32 Z32           ; Setting microstepping to 1/32.
M350 X32 Y32 Z32 U32 V32 I1 ; Setting microstepping to 1/32.

;Z282,6961

0:/sys/machine_extruderstep.g
; machine_extruderstep.g
; October 1, 2018

; This document allows you to calibrate the extruder steps.
; This is important to verify as it can lead to over or under extrusion if the values are wrong.
; Here is a link to how to calibrate extruder steps:
; http://print.theporto.com/posts/how-to-calibrate-your-3d-printer-extruder-steps/

M350 E16		; Confirming default 1/16 microstepping mode for calculation, in case firmware default changes

M92 E415.0 ; Extruder microteps/mm

M350 E32    ; Set microstepping mode to 1/128.

; machine_maxtemp.g
; October 19, 2018

; This document sets the maximum temperatures for the bed and the hot ends.
; This should only be changed if hardware modifications have been made that
; can handle the higher temperatures!
; FIRE HAZARD - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!

M143 H0 S120 ; Set maximum bed temperature to 120 C
M143 H1 S280 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 280C for hot end 1
M143 H2 S280 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 280C for hot end 2

0:/sys/machine_nozzle_tools.g
; machine_nozzle_tools
; July 9, 2018

; Compound Nozzle Tools

; Mixing Tool T0
;M563 P0 D0:1 H2 F2 S"Mixing" ; Define mixing tool
;G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set axis offsets
;G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set active (S0) & standby temp (R0) at 0.
;M567 P0 E0.5:0.5 ; Set tool mix ratios for extruder
;M568 P0 S1 ; Turn on tool mixing for the extruder

; Left Only T1
M563 P1 D0 H2 F0 S"Nozzle" ; mixing nozzle only using left extruder motor
;M568 P1 S0 ; Turn off tool mixing
G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set axis offsets
G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set active (S0) & standby temp (R0) at 0.

; Right Only T2
M563 P2 D1  S"Clay extruder" ; mixing nozzle only using right extruder motor
;M568 P2 S0 ; Turn off tool mixing
G10 P2 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set axis offsets
G10 P2 R0 S0 ; Set active (S0) & standby temp (R0) at 0.

; machine_access.g
; June 29, 2018

; Set the machine name and IP address in here
; Follow http://promega.printm3d.com/books/user-manual/page/network-setup, for more help

M111 S0                       ; Debugging off
M550 PPromega                 ; Set machine name, type promega/ in your browser!

; M551, No Machine Password
; M540 PBE:EF:DE:AD:FE:ED     ; Set MAC address, this can be used to assign a given IP in the DHCP
M552 P0.0.0.0 S1             ; Use this to enable DHCP
; M552 P192.168.1.112 S1        ; Set Static IP address and enable networking

0:/sys/qc.g
; Network access override
M550 PQC_Promega					;Set machine name
M552 P192.168.1.240 S1				;Set Static IP address and enable networking

; Start QC
M106 S255							;Nozzle cooling fan check
G92 X200 Y200 Z200					;Fake coordinates to test Z-probe
G30									;Test Z-probe
G28									;Home to check limit switches and establish real coordinates
M104 T0 S230						;Begin heating nozzle
;M104 T1 S230						;Begin heating second nozzle, for K'Tana
M140 S40							;Begin heating bed

; Configure motion testing variables
M201 X3200 Y3200 Z120 E250:250		;Set max acceleration, above recommended
M203 X9200 Y9200 Z2500 E5000:5000	;Set max Speed, above recommended
M566 X500 Y500 Z50 E300:300			;Set jerk, above recommended
M208 X0 Y0 Z20 S1					;Set axis minima
M208 X370 Y342 Z377 S0				;Set axis maxima
M564 S1 H1							;Enable limits

; Move through buildspace
G1 X0 Y0 Z25 F9000					;Move to origin, front left, Z up
G1 X0 Y342 Z375 S1 F9000			;Move to back left, Z down
G1 X370 Y0 Z25 F9000				;Move to front right, Z up
G1 X370 Y342 Z375 S1 F9000			;Move to back right, Z down

; Move through buildspace again
G1 X0 Y0 Z25 F9000					;Move to origin, front left, Z up
G1 X0 Y342 Z375 S1 F9000			;Move to back left, Z down
G1 X370 Y0 Z25 F9000				;Move to front right, Z up
G1 X370 Y342 Z375 S1 F9000			;Move to back right, Z down

; Center extruder for convenience
G1 Y220.5 X189.5 Z150 F9000

;Extrusion
T0									;Select appropriate tool
M109 T0 S230						;Finish heating nozzle
M83									;Set relative extrusion mode
G1 T0 E200 F200						;Test extrusion
M104 T0 S0							;Turn off heater
G1 T0 E-120 F600					;Retract filament

;Secondary extrusion, for K'Tana
;T1									;Select appropriate tool
;M109 T1 S230						;Finish heating nozzle
;M83								;Set relative extrusion mode
;G1 T1 E150 F240					;Test extrusion
;M104 T1 S0							;Turn off heater
;G1 T1 E-120 F600					;Retract filament


; Probe deployment routine, not used for ProMega

M280 P64 S10

0:/sys/retractprobe.g
; Probe retraction routine, not used for ProMega

M280 P64 S90

I think that should be all of them

Veti

@BjornH said in Bltouch oddity:

. The bltouch seems to go "inactive", this means if it just probed perfectly at a bed mesh then it will not probe again later before a 3d printing file.

What do you mean it will not probe again? do you mean it will not deploy the pin?
This is most likely a problem with the bltouch. the extension of the bltouch wiring is notoriously bad.
check for bad crimps.

The Z probe is at 0 all the time, except when deployed

that is normal. the bltouch will only trigger for a split second, you will not see it in the ui.

BjornH

What i mean is that the probe will stop probing. It will work a few times, then stop responding.

Phaedrux

Wow that's convoluted. M3D really went all out.

@BjornH said in Bltouch oddity:

0:/sys/machine_stepperspeed.g

speed changes/jerk

One of the errors is from that file. You're missing a ; in front of the comment text.

I don't see anything obvious in the configs that would interfere with the BLTouch.

What's in your homeall? That's the only macro we're still missing.

BjornH

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0:/sys/homex.g
; homex.g
; called to home the X axis
; October 4, 2018

; same as homey.g because of coreXY
; Front left corner is (0,0)

; ============= PRE-HOMING =====================

; Ignore Machine boundaries
M564 H0 S0

; Turn off bed leveling during homing
G29 S2 ; Does the same as M561!

; Switch to Origin Tool
T0

; Relative positioning
G91

g1 x-5

; Provide Z height clearance
G1 Z10 F750 S1

; ================== HOME Y ============================

; Rapid Y until limit switch triggers
G0 Y450 F1500 S1

; Back off to release limit switch
G0 Y-6 F1500

; Slow advance to trigger limit switch
G0 Y10 F120 S1

; ============= HOME X ====================

; Rapid X until limit switch triggers
G0 X450 F1500 S1

; Back off to release limit switch
G0 X-6 F1500

; Slow advance to trigger limit switch
G0 X10 F120 S1

; Move away from the limit switch, to prevent damage to it upon next move
G0 X-12 F1500

; Set this location as X = 380mm
G92 X340

; Move the gantry slightly away from back of printer, to allow travel past the bolt mounting the gantry bracket
G0 Y-10 F1200

; Set this location as Y = 384mm
G92 Y315

; ============ Post-Homing ==============

; Revert to absolute coordinates
G90

; Re-enable mesh leveling
;G29 S1

M98 Pmachine_axisdimension.g ; Set Axes Limits

; Stop movement across limits, enable boundaries, homing requirement
M564 H1 S1

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0:/sys/homey.g
; homey.g
; called to home the Y axis
;

; Same as homex.g because of coreXY
; Front left is (0,0)

M98 Phomex.g

; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
;

; ============= PRE-HOMING =====================

; Ignore Machine boundaries
M564 H0 S0

; Turn off bed leveling during homing
G29 S2 ; Does the same as M561!
G29 S2 ; Do it twice because once just isn't enough

; Switch to Origin Tool
T0

; Relative positioning
G91

; Provide Z height clearance
G1 Z10 F750 S1

; ============ HOME Z ==============

; Rapid Z until limit switch triggers
G0 Z450 F1500 S1

; Back off to release limit switch
G0 Z-15 F1500

; Slow advance to trigger limit switch
G0 Z20 F120 S1

M98 Pmachine_zendstop.g ; Set Z Endstop height
M98 Pmachine_zprobe.g ; Set Z Probe distance

; ============ Post-Homing ==============

; Revert to absolute coordinates
G90

; Re-enable mesh leveling
;G29 S1

M98 Pmachine_axisdimension.g ; Set Axes Limits

; Stop movement across limits, enable boundaries, homing requirement
M564 H1 S1

Phaedrux

@BjornH said in Bltouch oddity:

M98 Pmachine_zendstop.g ; Set Z Endstop height
M98 Pmachine_zprobe.g ; Set Z Probe distance

Ok now how bout these ones so we can see what it's doing to home z?

BjornH

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0:/sys/machine_zendstop.g
; machine_zendstop.g
; June 29, 2018

; IMPORTANT: should you drop the bed or skip a tooth, this value might change and has to be recalibrated!!!

; This file sets the Z position of the Z end stop. It is used to determine the height of the build volume.
; If this value is incorrect, you either have a nozzle that drags on the bed or is too far from the bed that
; the filament won't stick to the surface. It is the single most important file to get right so do spend
; some time verifying the Z position after making changes here.

; Instructions
; 1. Home All
; 2. Disable the bed mesh with G29 S2 twice
; 3. Run G1 X200 Y200 Z20 F1500
; 4. Manually jog the bed up using the <Z-10 to <Z-0.1 using smaller steps as you get close to the nozzle
; 5. Have bed touching the nozzle, do not leave a gap. If you can't reach the nozzle, estimate how far the
; bed is from the nozzle and add that value to the Z value in the G92 command below and start over.
; 6. Record your Z height number as shown in the DWC Machine Status Head Position Window
; 7. Calculate the new Z value for the G92 command below:
;
; If your Z value was positive, subtract the value from the current Z value in the G92 command below.
; Example: If the measured Z value of the bed touching the nozzle was 2.5 and the current Z value was
; 376.4, the new Z value would be 376.4 - 2.5 = 373.9
; Don't forget to set the Max Z value in machine_axisdimension.g to 374

; If your Z value was negative, add the value to the current Z value in the G92 command below.
; Example: If the measured Z value of the bed touching the nozzle was -0.7 and the current Z value was
; 376.4, the new Z value would be 376.4 + 0.7 = 377.1
; Don't forget to set the Max Z value in machine_axisdimension.g to 378

; If your Z value was 0, congratulations, no changes to this file are needed.

; 8. Re-enable your bed leveling compensation with G29 S1

; Set this location as Z = 376.4mm (Normally the Default Factory Number for Compound)
;G92 Z376.6 ; With glass bed and Compound

endstop should be disabled

; machine_probe.g
; June 29, 2018

; This document tells the printer which Z probe to use and what the offsets of that probe are.
; For X and Y offset, use a caliper and measure the distance between the center of the nozzle
; and the part of the probe that measures the bed.
; If the probe is to the right of the nozzle, the X value is positive
; If the probe is to the left of the nozzle, the X value is negative
; If the probe is behind the nozzle, the Y value is positive
; If the probe is in front of the nozzle, the Y value is negative

; To select which probe to use, comment / uncomment ONE of the two M558 lines below.

; Determine the Probe Z Offset:
; 1. Heat the bed to 60C and the nozzle to 150C
; 2. Move the head near the center with G1 X200 Y200
; 3. Move the bed near the nozzle with G1 Z20
; 4. Disable the bed mesh with G29 S2, do this twice
; 5. Move the bed in small steps so it just touches the nozzle, 1mm steps first, then 0.1mm steps
; 6. Set the Z0 position with G92 Z0
; 7. Move the bed back to Z20, with G1 Z20
; 8. Deploy the probe if necessary
; 9. Get the Z Probe value with G30 S-1
; 10. Note the Z value in the Web UI and update it in the G31 Z parameter below
; 11. Put the Z probe away if necessary

; Toggle by uncommenting, depending on preference
; M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z1 H5 F120 T5000 ; Set Z probe type -- Enable IR_PROBE
; M558 P4 I1 X0 Y0 Z1 H5 F100 T5000 ; Set Z probe type -- Enable LIMIT SWITCH
M558 P9 H5 F100 T2000

; Remember to update your Z-probe offset with the Z parameter below
; Follow this guide or the instructions above: http://promega.printm3d.com/books/user-manual/page/bed-leveling-probing#bkmrk-the-limit-switch-pro
; G31 P450 X30.4 Y30.7 Z10 ; Set Z probe (IR) trigger value and offset
; G31 P999 X-42 Y31 Z15.0 ; Set Z probe (Metrol switch) trigger value, offset
G31 P9 X30 Y-5 Z3.6 ; Set Z probe (limit switch) trigger value, offset

BjornH

I have yet cleaned up all the files from M3D yet, as i have been strugling just to get this piece to work correctly. Bltouch to work optimal will be last piece

Phaedrux

I can't see anything in there that should cause the bltouch to stop, but it's a bit hard to follow.

For troubleshooting I would suggest generating a basic config using the web configurator and see if you can get it working with a basic config. If it works, then you know it was a config problem. If it still has the same problem then it's a BLtouch hardware problem. Either the probe itself or the wiring.

BjornH

Thank you for looking into it, i will clean up the files and try the configurator.

BjornH

Update to those who may have the same problem.

I can now confirm this is a wiring problem, as the dupont connection/wire is very bad.

After several tries and then squeezing the cable more onto the bltouch it suddenly worked fine again.

Veti

@BjornH
yes as i said earlier, the extension wire is causing a lot of headaches.

BjornH

@Veti I will swap out all, but i think the main problem is in the dupont connector itself, i will open it and tighten the connectors.

Veti

just swap to a different connector.

these are the ones i use for small wires

https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32856368582.html

TampaPrinter

I have a CR10 that does this too. Once in a while, like every 20 prints or so the bltouch simply checks out and goes on vacation for the initial home. Gives a message about already triggered but the Duet isn’t bothered by probe issues...it drives the Z into the bed until I stop it. Never fails during the 81 probe mesh, just the initial home. I’ve changed the BLTouch, swapped a new wire to the daughterboard then ditched it altogether and ran a new wire all the way to the Duet. Still does it with the same seldom frequency.

Though I have changed all of it, I get that it could still be a BLTouch issue or a wiring issue and have nothing to do with the Duet but the firmware should halt the Z when it knows the probe has failed. I find it odd that it doesn’t, though it is entirely possible I just haven’t found how to make it do so yet.

BjornH

@TampaPrinter I have not corrected my fault yet, since i have to dissasemble my extruder. I belive the problem lays in the pins (dupont) connection to the bltouch as they are not thight enough

3dML

@TampaPrinter

Though I have changed all of it, I get that it could still be a BLTouch issue or a wiring issue and have nothing to do with the Duet but the firmware should halt the Z when it knows the probe has failed. I find it odd that it doesn’t, though it is entirely possible I just haven’t found how to make it do so yet.

You can check for BLTouch sensor error before probing to detect some errors.

if sensors.probes[0].value[0]!=1000 ; if probe is not in error state
	M291 P"BLTouch ready to use" S1 T2
        G30