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how to use the new heater tuning algorithm on 3.2 ?

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    lui2004 @Phaedrux
    last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 05:19

    @Phaedrux

    ok thank @Phaedrux

    what i must change in my config.g ?

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      Phaedrux Moderator @lui2004
      last edited by Phaedrux 1 Jul 2021, 05:21 7 Jan 2021, 05:20

      @lui2004 Nothing. You tune as normal and save the results, just like before.

      See the entries for M303 and M307 for details on the changes.

      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode?revisionid=HEAD#Section_M307_Set_or_report_heating_process_parameters

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        lui2004
        last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 05:21

        @Phaedrux said in how to use the new heater tuning algorithm on 3.2 ?:

        M303 T0 S205

        ok perfect after tuning i will safe it with M500 and its done ?

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          Phaedrux Moderator @lui2004
          last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 05:21

          @lui2004 Yes, as long as you also have M501 at the end of config.g to load your saved results.

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            lui2004 @Phaedrux
            last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 05:22

            @Phaedrux

            yes i have M501 in my config.g

            thanks a lot

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              theruttmeister @Phaedrux
              last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 06:20

              @Phaedrux said in how to use the new heater tuning algorithm on 3.2 ?:

              For the hot end you can now tune it as a tool instead of just a heater to allow for the tool fan to be part of the tuning process so that the algorithm can compensate for the cooling effects of the part fan.

              Ex: M303 T0 S205

              Can you elaborate?
              There doesn't seem to be a way to auto-tune with both fan on and off, to give the two sets of parameters that would be needed.

              Isolate, substitute, verify.

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                Phaedrux Moderator @theruttmeister
                last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 06:39

                @theruttmeister it should be automatic when you tune as a tool versus as a heater. It will turn the fan on and off during the process and use that info. Beyond that it's all magic to me.

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                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 07:35

                  I recommend running the tuning with the hot end close to the bed and near the centre of the bed, because proximity of the bed affects the airflow from the fan.

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    lui2004 @dc42
                    last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 07:54

                    @dc42

                    hi

                    can itune booth with:

                    M303 T0 S205 for Hotend

                    and

                    M303 T1 S70 for Bed is that ok ?

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                      jay_s_uk @lui2004
                      last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 08:04

                      @lui2004 no as the bed isn't a tool.
                      Tune the bed as normal

                      M303 H0 S70
                      

                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                        lui2004 @dc42
                        last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 09:43

                        @dc42

                        are my results ok ?

                        ; config-override.g file generated in response to M500 at 2021-01-07 09:03
                        ; This is a system-generated file - do not edit
                        ; Heater model parameters
                        M307 H0 R0.245 C675.381:675.381 D13.14 S1.00 V24.2 B0
                        M307 H1 R2.516 C140.883:121.891 D4.68 S1.00 V24.3 B0
                        ; Workplace coordinates
                        G10 L2 P1 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                        M486 S-1
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                          dc42 administrators
                          last edited by 7 Jan 2021, 12:28

                          Yes those look good to me.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            A Former User @lui2004
                            last edited by A Former User 1 Nov 2021, 13:11 11 Jan 2021, 10:18

                            @lui2004

                            a little bit maybe from my personal observations regarding the new heater tuning algorithm:

                            We have here a small anycubic-i3-mega that got as new mainboard the duet-pcb, it sits in a wooden chamber with the standard heatplate used as chamber heater and 1 additional fan in the top of that chamber to "cool" the chamber by sucking out air (there are some holes in the bottom plate of the chamber to let new air in when that happens)

                            When using the new heater tuning algorithm, I leave the door of the chamber open and put the fan of the chamber to max rpm, BECAUSE first I did it the other way round with door closed and chamberfan off and after tuning and saving the tune with M500 I got a heater fault manually heating up, because that time the door was open and the fan on and that was too much for the state it was tuned in (heating too slow/temperature rise too slow).

                            So long story short: I would recommendate from my observations that you tune with "hardest" surrounding conditions for the heater. With hardest what I mean is, that it has to work hardest. If you tune it with the easiest condition, you might later get a sporadic heater fault when conditions get harder.

                            (I do not know if that on the long run could be also constrained by something like this request here https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/20844/limiting-ramp-rate-in-heating-algorithm/3?_=1610360187720 but for the moment I can work with it and that is what counts.)

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