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    • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
      Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
      last edited by Luke'sLaboratory

      @jrockland Do you mean that your relay turns on if you take off the ! from the duet config? or is the duet's output turning on when you remove the !

      Luke
      http://lukeslab.online

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      • jrocklandundefined
        jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
        last edited by

        @Luke-sLaboratory not the ssr's, im testing the board with a meter right now. relays had been tested and work good.

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        • jrocklandundefined
          jrockland @Veti
          last edited by

          @Veti yea I looked at the picture and it is what we use.

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

            yea I looked at the picture and it is what we use.

            what picture?

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            • jrocklandundefined
              jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
              last edited by

              @Luke-sLaboratory the relay turn off as soon as they are not fed power

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              • jrocklandundefined
                jrockland @Veti
                last edited by

                @Veti looked online for ssr relays

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                • jrocklandundefined
                  jrockland @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Veti you are right, they are ntc 3950. Ill have to find out how to change that

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti @jrockland
                    last edited by

                    @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                    ntc 3950

                    they are not the best and become inaccurate at high temperatures.

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                    • jrocklandundefined
                      jrockland
                      last edited by

                      Anyway thank for all the answers, tones of thing to look at;
                      like why my board seem to work the opposite way ? (compared to my other 6hc's)
                      Stop.G files (that files is empty ??)
                      thermistor: wrong model ? (ill have to find how to change that)
                      port 0.out instead of 3.out (will move some stuff around)
                      Also I will add an external fail safe (I should had done that long time ago)

                      Just to reassure anyone, the relays does shut down as soon as I send a M999/M112 or shut the board off. even if they are written as "!out.3".... maybe the connection to the board is wrong.

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                      • jay_s_ukundefined
                        jay_s_uk
                        last edited by

                        if you use out0 don't forget to add power in for it

                        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                        • jrocklandundefined
                          jrockland @Veti
                          last edited by

                          @Veti I know, but with what I use them for they are easy to get and cheap..: I prototype parts so I actually destroy parts as a daily task. I basically apply change, then run the project until it break. then make it better. I crashed so many hot ends I buy those sensors in 50 packs XD

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                          • jrocklandundefined
                            jrockland @jay_s_uk
                            last edited by

                            @jay_s_uk wait.. just want to make sure im not wrong here.. i mean C"io0.out".. my bad. too much power out of OUT0.

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                            • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                              Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
                              last edited by

                              @jrockland said in IMPORTANT ISSUE with bed temp controller:

                              the relays does shut down as soon as I send a M999/M112 or shut the board off.

                              This is positive.

                              Could you post model #'s or pictures of the relays used? Still want to get to the bottom of why you overheated by a considerable margin

                              Luke
                              http://lukeslab.online

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti @jrockland
                                last edited by

                                @jrockland
                                you forgot the most imporant part. the frequency for the ssr.

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                                • jrocklandundefined
                                  jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                  last edited by

                                  @Luke-sLaboratory let me check, Ill have to open an other part of the machine for that.

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                                  • jrocklandundefined
                                    jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                    last edited by

                                    @Luke-sLaboratory Actually when I read the code, bang bang mode wasn't deactivate, might explain a lot. it always been deactivated but that specific machine crashed hard before the last update and we had to re write the whole thing.

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                                    • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                                      Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
                                      last edited by

                                      @jrockland If the previous configuration was bang-bang, and instead we're using PWM @500hz, that could be a huge indicator of an issue.

                                      Luke
                                      http://lukeslab.online

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                                      • jrocklandundefined
                                        jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                        last edited by

                                        @Luke-sLaboratory Ill have to read more about bang bang but if I check on my other machines it is deactivated everywhere

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                                        • dc42undefined
                                          dc42 administrators
                                          last edited by dc42

                                          Using an inverted heater output isn't safe. When you power up, you are relying on the Duet booting up and running that M950 command to turn the heater off. If any of that fails (for example, something prevents the Pi from running, e.g. the SD card goes bad), then the heater will remain on.

                                          What connection are you using that requires an inverted heater output?

                                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                          • Luke'sLaboratoryundefined
                                            Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
                                            last edited by

                                            @jrockland info on the relays would still be useful, but yes, probably should look into disabling PWM control if it was previously operated bang-bang and it was successful.

                                            Luke
                                            http://lukeslab.online

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