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    fcwilt @dmbgo
    last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 00:39

    @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

    Printing now

    I will check back in a bit.

    Frederick

    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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      dmbgo
      last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:06

      Where are you Fredrick? If it is too late at night, we can leave it until tomorrow.

      Regards David Maher

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        fcwilt @dmbgo
        last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:11

        @dmbgo I'm here.

        Frederick

        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          dmbgo
          last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:12

          The disk is printing at 30 mm/s. It will probably take about 20mins more.

          Regards David Maher

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            fcwilt @dmbgo
            last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:13

            @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

            The disk is printing at 30 mm/s. It will probably take about 20mins more.

            What does it look like so far?

            Frederick

            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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              dmbgo
              last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:17

              disk progress.jpg

              Regards David Maher

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                fcwilt
                last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:18

                OK.

                I'll check back in 15 mins.

                Frederick

                Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  dmbgo
                  last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:18

                  The bed levelling is a bit out now, but I dont think it will affect the disc

                  Regards David Maher

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                    dmbgo
                    last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 01:59

                    Almost there...
                    20210117_125414.jpg 20210117_125356.jpg

                    Regards David Maher

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                      fcwilt @dmbgo
                      last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:02

                      @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

                      Almost there...
                      20210117_125414.jpg 20210117_125356.jpg

                      It's going as I expected.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                        dmbgo
                        last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:04

                        Just covering the top now.

                        Regards David Maher

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                          antlestxp
                          last edited by antlestxp 17 Jan 2021, 02:21

                          is your bed level? looks like the nozzle is closer on one side of the print than the other. a bad first layer can make trouble for the rest of the print in abs, especially if you are printing small items with short layer times. I would try leveling the bed so the first layer looks perfect and printing 2 test cubes instead of one to give each layer enough time to cool off before the next layer hits. I forgot to ask how ridged is your carriage? is there any play or slop in any direction?

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                            dmbgo
                            last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:26

                            Fredrick, it has printed.
                            RHS-Test-Disk.jpg Front-Test-Disk.jpg Rear-Test-Disk.jpg

                            Regards David Maher

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                              fcwilt @dmbgo
                              last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:33

                              @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

                              Fredrick, it has printed.

                              I think you may just be seeing ABS shrinkage.

                              You do have a bed adhesion issue on one section and I imagine you can see that.

                              If you have some PLA perhaps print the same object and see what you get.

                              Have you got any PETG you could try? It's a good alternative to ABS and it doesn't have the kind of shrinkage issue that ABS has.

                              Frederick

                              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                dmbgo
                                last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:33

                                @antlestxp,
                                The bed isn't level atm, the bed is usually level though, I just wanted to get the disk printed before it was too late for Fredrick.

                                I will now try printing 2 x test cubes at once, since, as you say it might be caused by the print failing to cool fast enough.

                                Regards David Maher

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                                  fcwilt @dmbgo
                                  last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:36

                                  @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

                                  @antlestxp,

                                  I will now try printing 2 x test cubes at once, since, as you say it might be caused by the print failing to cool fast enough.

                                  You don't want ABS to cool fast - that exacerbates the shrinkage issue. That's why I said to print this test with no layer cooling.

                                  Frederick

                                  Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                    dmbgo
                                    last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:37

                                    Thanks Fredrick, I do have some other filaments somewhere, and your model has shown me that the printer is capable of printing well, if the conditions are right. I as using ABS, since I thought that if I could get that to print well, everything else should be easy.
                                    Thanks for your help.

                                    Regards David Maher

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                                      dmbgo
                                      last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:41

                                      I think that before embarking on anymore tests, I will put the printer back in its thermal home. I only had it out to solve other issues, which are fixed now.
                                      Once it is back, I'll level the bed properly and let you know how it goes.

                                      Regards David Maher

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                                        dmbgo
                                        last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:46

                                        Oh, and as far as rigidity goes @antlestxp , I have modified the printer and added fairly heavy steel cross pieces on the Y axis and installed rectangular steel bracing pieces into the existing frame. You can see the front cross piece in the photo of the printer above. The standard Black Widow looks quite different.

                                        If you think I need to go further, please let me know. 🙂

                                        Regards David Maher

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                                          fcwilt @dmbgo
                                          last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 02:47

                                          @dmbgo said in Problem with rear side of Test Cube:

                                          I think that before embarking on anymore tests, I will put the printer back in its thermal home. I only had it out to solve other issues, which are fixed now.
                                          Once it is back, I'll level the bed properly and let you know how it goes.

                                          I check this site on a regular basis so if you include @fcwilt I will get alerted to your posts.

                                          I will not be at all surprised if ABS prints fine with the enclosure.

                                          If you haven't researched PETG I think you should check it out.

                                          This was posted on ALL3DP.COM:

                                          PETG is stronger, more durable and it prints better. It's also available in transparent colors. ABS is only necessary if you absolutely need the 100°C temperature resistance or its ability to be glued and painted. Otherwise, it's difficult to justify the printing difficulties involved

                                          Frederick

                                          Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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