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    • ÖrjanEundefined
      ÖrjanE
      last edited by

      Hi,
      I've been experimenting with printing using arcs (G2/G3) and have stumbled upon what seems like two bugs. I'm running RRF3.2 on a Duet2 Maestro with a normal cartesian printer.

      First (possible) error occurs when printing an exact semicircle using the G3 Xnnn Ynnn Rnnn format. In the testcode (attached below) it is expected to print a semicircle from X=121.107 to X=113.893 with a radius of 3.607. Note that 113.893+2*3.607=121.107 so this should be fine. However, the firmware complains "Error: G2/G3: bad combination of parameter values". Increasing the radius to 3.608 makes the error disappear, which makes me think it is a problem with floating point precision.

      Second worry is that if i run a simulation (!) there is actual, physical, movements happening when the error is detected. This only seems to happen when the axes are homed. The relevant error message in the console is "Error: SetPositions called when DDA ring not empty". Needless to say, physical movements during simulation (even if it is a failed one) is scary.

      This is my stripped down test file:

      G28 ; Home all axes
      G21 ; set units to millimeters
      G90 ; use absolute coordinates
      M83 ; use relative distances for extrusion
      
      G1 Z20.000 F7800.000
      G1 F1800.000
      G1 X121.107 Y128.804 E0.15037
      G3 X113.893 Y128.804 R3.607 E0.42650
      M0 ; Stop print
      

      If relevant, here is my config.g

      code_text; Configuration file for Duet Maestro (firmware version 3)
      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
      ;
      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.1 on Wed Jun 03 2020 11:09:23 GMT+0200 (centraleuropeisk sommartid)
      
      ; General preferences
      G90                                            ; send absolute coordinates...
      M83                                            ; ...but relative extruder moves
      M550 P"Anatidae"                               ; set printer name
      M918 P1 E-4 F2000000                           ; configure direct-connect display
      
      ; Network
      M552 P0.0.0.0 S1                               ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
      M586 P0 S1                                     ; enable HTTP
      M586 P1 S1                                     ; enable FTP
      M586 P2 S0                                     ; disable Telnet
      
      ; Drives
      M569 P0 S0                                     ; physical drive 0 goes backwards
      M569 P1 S0                                     ; physical drive 1 goes backwards
      M569 P2 S1                                     ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
      M569 P3 S0                                     ; physical drive 3 goes backwards (BMG Direct Drive)
      M584 X0 Y1 Z2:4 E3                             ; set drive mapping
      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                        ; configure microstepping with interpolation
      M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E415.00              ; set steps per mm
      M566 X{8*60} Y{8*60} Z{1*60} E{5*60}           ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
      M203 X{150*60} Y{150*60} Z{5*60} E{100*60}     ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
      M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00          ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
      M906 X500 Y500 Z500 E400 I30                   ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
      M84 S30                                        ; Set idle timeout
      
      ; Axis Limits
      M208 X-8 Y-10 Z0 S1                            ; set axis minima
      M208 X235 Y225 Z260 S0                         ; set axis maxima
      
      ; Endstops
      M574 X1 S1 P"xstop"                            ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
      M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop"                            ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
      M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop"                            ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin zstop
      
      ; Z-Probe
      M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H3 F100 T6000            ; enable Z probe
      M950 S0 C"zprobe.mod"                          ; connect to mod pin
      G31 X-25 Y-1 Z2.0 P500                         ; offset from nozzle
      M557 X25:205 Y25:205 S45                       ; define mesh grid
      
      ; Bed leveling
      M671 X-28:263 Y0:0 F1.5                        ; Position of the lead screws
      
      ; Heaters
      M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 A"Bed" ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
      M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                          ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
      M307 H0 B1 S1.00                               ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
      M140 H0                                        ; map heated bed to heater 0
      M143 H0 S120                                   ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
      M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Nozzle" ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
      M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
      M307 H1 B0 S1.00                               ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
      M143 H1 S285                                   ; Max nozzle temperature 285C
      
      ; Fans
      M950 F0 C"fan2" Q500                           ; create fan 0 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
      M106 P0 S0 H-1                                 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
      M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500                           ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
      M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                              ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
      
      ; Tools
      M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                               ; define tool 0
      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                ; set tool 0 axis offsets
      G10 P0 R0 S0                                   ; set tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
      
      ; Custom settings
      
      ; Set pressure advance
      M572 D0 S0.1
      
      ; Set firmware retraction parameters
      M207 S1 F1500 Z0   ; 1mm 25mm/s, no lift
      
      ; Load the overrides file
      M501
      
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      • jay_s_ukundefined
        jay_s_uk
        last edited by

        can you upgrade to 3.2.2
        there was a G2/G3 error that was fixed due to rounding

        If a G2 or G3 command with R parameter described an arc of exactly 180 degrees, then due to rounding error RRF might report "G2/G3: invalid combination of parameters".
        

        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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        • ÖrjanEundefined
          ÖrjanE @jay_s_uk
          last edited by

          @jay_s_uk Thanks; will do!

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          • ÖrjanEundefined
            ÖrjanE @jay_s_uk
            last edited by ÖrjanE

            @jay_s_uk Indeed; updating from 3.2 to 3.2.2 fixed the problem. Even when using a clearly too small radius value, the firmware does not throw an error.

            Since I can no longer provoke the error in 3.2.2, I do not know if the second problem (movement when an error is triggered during simulation) is also fixed, or simply harder to encounter.

            Thanks for the help.

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @ÖrjanE
              last edited by

              @ÖrjanE its probably still something to be looked at.
              @Phaedrux or @dc42 to comment as I've not seen any other reports of movement during simulation

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
                last edited by

                @ÖrjanE, if you make the radius very much too small in the G2 or G3 command then I think you will still get the "Invalid combination" error.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                • ÖrjanEundefined
                  ÖrjanE @dc42
                  last edited by

                  @dc42 Surprisingly, I don't. I actually started looking into the source code of your commit (c8ebe81fdaf91fe447ada36a67f5b30b169d80cb), and I see that it is supposed to check if hDivD is negative but very close to zero. But hDivD is the result of a call to sqrtf; will that really give a negative result if the argument is negative? Is it not necessary to check the sign of hSquared instead?

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators
                    last edited by dc42

                    @ÖrjanE, quite so! The test should be on hSquared instead. Something like this I think:

                    		const float hSquared = fsquare(rParam) - dSquared/4;				// square of the length of the perpendicular from the mid point to the arc centre
                    
                    		// When the arc is exactly 180deg, rounding error may make hSquared slightly negative instead of zero
                    		float hDivD;
                    		if (hSquared >= 0.0)
                    		{
                    			hDivD = sqrtf(hSquared/dSquared);
                    		}
                    		else
                    		{
                    			if (hSquared < -0.01 * fsquare(rParam))
                    			{
                    				err = badArcParametersMessage;
                    				return true;
                    			}
                    			hDivD = 0.0;													// this has the effect of increasing the radius slightly so that the maths works
                    		}
                    

                    Do you agree?

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • ÖrjanEundefined
                      ÖrjanE @dc42
                      last edited by

                      @dc42 Looks correct. The interpretation of the constant -0.01 is not transparent. I guess it implies that the radius can be 10% (sqrt(0.01)) too short without throwing an error.

                      The current (3.2.2) code does not throw an error at all, but does not print the arc correctly if the radius is slightly too short. The resulting arc is basically a straight line, probably because the hDivD value actually used is rediculously high.

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators
                        last edited by

                        I've changed it to:

                        			if (hSquared < -0.001 * fsquare(rParam))						// allow the radius to be up to sqrt(0.001) ~= 3.2% too short
                        

                        In the 3.2.2 code, hDivD will be a NaN if the radius is too short, so it's not surprising that it misbehaves.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators @dc42
                          last edited by dc42

                          Actually that's still wrong. (r + xr)^2 ~= r^2(1 + 2x) if x is small, so I will use this instead:

                          			if (hSquared < -0.02 * fsquare(rParam))						// allow the radius to be up to 1% too short
                          

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          • ÖrjanEundefined
                            ÖrjanE @dc42
                            last edited by

                            @dc42 Looks good!

                            Now, back to the other problem; that an error during simulation may cause physical movement. In 3.2.2 I can't cause the "too small radius"-error any more, but looking at the source code, I realized that I can provoke an error by setting identical start end end points for G2 or G3 with an R parameter.

                            This code:

                            G28 ; Home all axes
                            G21 ; set units to millimeters
                            G90 ; use absolute coordinates
                            M83 ; use relative distances for extrusion
                            
                            G1 Z20.000 F7800.000
                            G1 F1800.000
                            G1 X115 Y115
                            G1 F200.000
                            G3 X115 Y115 R5
                            M0 ; Stop print
                            

                            will cause the message "Error: SetPositions called when DDA ring not empty" as well as "Error: G2/G3: radius is too small to reach endpoint" when run in simulation mode. It also causes a physical movement (some 10mm in the negative X direction).

                            Hope you can replicate this behaviour.

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                            • dc42undefined
                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by

                              Thanks, it sounds to me that when the error occurs, the simulation is exiting before the DDA ring has been emptied, which ties in the message.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                              • ÖrjanEundefined
                                ÖrjanE @dc42
                                last edited by

                                @dc42 I have also noted another symptom, probably due to the same problem.

                                When printing (not simulating) the code above, the same unexpected movement as in simulation takes place when the error occurs and printing is aborted. The axes remain in homed-status but the coordinates have not been updated with that last movement.

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators @ÖrjanE
                                  last edited by

                                  @ÖrjanE said in Actual movements during failed simulation:

                                  @dc42 I have also noted another symptom, probably due to the same problem.

                                  When printing (not simulating) the code above, the same unexpected movement as in simulation takes place when the error occurs and printing is aborted. The axes remain in homed-status but the coordinates have not been updated with that last movement.

                                  Do you get the "SetPositions called when DDA ring not empty" message again?

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    ÖrjanE @dc42
                                    last edited by

                                    @dc42 said in Actual movements during failed simulation:

                                    Do you get the "SetPositions called when DDA ring not empty" message again?

                                    No.
                                    And now I can't replicate that second behaviour (extra movement when not simulation). Perhaps it is state-dependent and du to some leftover state from the failed simulation.

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                                    • ÖrjanEundefined
                                      ÖrjanE @dc42
                                      last edited by

                                      @dc42 Forget about the "second symptom" (problem during actual print). I have restarted the duet and fail to repeat the problem. It may be that I misinterpreted what happened when I tested this.

                                      Regarding the move when simulating; it makes sense that it is the last move/moves that remain queued when simulation mode is turned off prematurely. The move does not seem to be random, but consistent with the last move that should have been done (in simulation) before the error occurred.

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by dc42

                                        Thanks for your example. I have reproduced the issue, and fixed it in the 3.3 branch source code. Moves already prepared and put into the movement queue are now completed when a job is aborted.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • ÖrjanEundefined
                                          ÖrjanE @dc42
                                          last edited by

                                          @dc42 Great!
                                          Thanks for your work in maintaining this software.

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                                            dc42 administrators @ÖrjanE
                                            last edited by

                                            @ÖrjanE said in Actual movements during failed simulation:

                                            @dc42 Great!
                                            Thanks for your work in maintaining this software.

                                            Thanks for your clear description of the issue and GCode file to reproduce it.

                                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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