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    • Bloft Design Labundefined
      Bloft Design Lab
      last edited by

      Hi again

      We had already some success in our everlasting battle with our cable-driven 3D-printer. The temp sensors work now and we managed to PID tuning the heaters after a few tweaks. That's ok.

      Also our automated pellet dispenser works. The only thing still preventing us from extruding is the unresponsive extruder stepper.

      I checked that the wiring should be ok.
      Phase A & B are correctly wired on both extruder steppers. In case you wonder, we have the main Nema23 and a auxiliary Nema17 for pushing the pellets down the throat.

      Nonetheless we are seeing an error that phase A & B might be disconnected on drivers 0 & 1

      Could it be the stepper cable length (15m)?

      ; Configuration file for testing Duet Ethernet and Wifi
      
      ; Communication and general
      M111 P1 S0 						; Debug off
      M550 XXX						; Machine name and Netbios name (can be anything you like)
      M551 XXX 						; Machine password (used for FTP)
      ;*** If you have more than one Duet on your network, they must all have different MAC addresses, so change the last digits
      M540 XXX 			; MAC Address
      
      ;*** Networking - Enable for both WiFi and Ethernet boards.
      M552 S1 						; Turn network on
      
      ;*** Ethernet networking: Adjust the IP address and gateway in the following 2 lines to suit your network
      M552 XXX 					; (0 = DHCP)
      M554 XXX 					; Gateway
      M553 XXX 					; Netmask
      
      M555 P2 						; Set output to look like Marlin
      G21 							; Work in millimetres
      G90 							; Send absolute coordinates...
      M83 							; ...but relative extruder moves
      
      ;;;; HANGPRINTER SPECIALS (M669, M666) BEGIN HERE ;;;;
      M669 K6 						; This is a Hangprinter enables ABCDV-parameters in gcodes that refer to motors
      M584 V9 A6 B5 C7 D8 P5 					; map ABCDV-axes to ext driver pins (four visible)
      M584 E0:1:2:3:4 					; Regard all TMC2660s as extruder motor drivers
      M569 P0 S1 						; Drive 0 goes forwards
      M569 P1 S1 						; Drive 1 goes forwards
      M569 P2 S1 						; Drive 2 goes forwards
      M569 P3 S1 						; Drive 3 goes forwards
      M569 P4 S1 						; Drive 4 goes forwards
      M569 P5 S0 R1 T5:5:10:1					; Drive 5 (A) goes forwards
      M569 P6 S0 R1 T5:5:10:1					; Drive 6 (B) goes backwards
      M569 P7 S0 R1 T5:5:10:1					; Drive 7 (C) goes forwards
      M569 P8 S0 R1 T5:5:10:1					; Drive 8 (D) goes backwards
      M569 P9 S0 R1 T5:5:10:1					; Drive 9 (V) goes backwards
      
      M669 A0:-1437.13:-216.00				; Anchor Ax:Ay:Az
      M669 B1244.59:718.56:-216.00				; Anchor Bx:By:Bz	
      M669 C-1244.59:718.56:-216.00				; Anchor Cx:Cy:Cz
      
      M669 D3706.1					   	; Anchor D = Distance between the anchor pivot point D and the end effector pivot point D 
      M669 P500					  	; Printable radius
      M669 S200					   	; Segments/sec
      M666 Q1							; Line Spool up compensation = 1
      M666 R50.1:65.1:65.1:65.1:65.1				; Spool radii of A:B:C:D:V spools
      
      ; The following is assumed
      ; by the auto calibration script
      ; to be constant for all HP4s
      M666 U1:2:2:2:1					   	; Mechanical advantages on ABCDV
      M666 O1:1:1:1:1					   	; Number of lines per spool
      M666 L5:20:20:20:20 				   	; Motor gear teeth of ABCDV axes
      M666 H300:255:255:255:255			   	; Spool gear teeth of ABCDV axes
       
      ; Adjust the following to match your ODrive settings
      M666 J32:32:32:32:32 				   	; Full steps per ABCDV motor revolution
      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 V16 E16:16 I1				; Configure microstepping with interpolation
      
      M208 Z3706.1 						; set maximum Z at D anchor. See M669 ... D<number>
      
      M201 X6000 Y6000 Z6000 V6000 E250:250 			; Accelerations (mm/s^2)
      M203 X120000 Y120000 Z60000 V60000 E1200:1200		; Maximum speeds (mm/min)
      
      M574 X2 Y2 Z2 V2 S1 					; set endstop configuration (all endstops at high end, active high)
      M906 X1200 Y1200 Z1200 V1200 E1900:1400 I30		; Set motor currents (mA) and increase idle current to 60%
      M84 S30                                         	; Set idle timeout
      M566 X10000 Y10000 Z10000 V10000 E120:120		; Maximum instant speed changes mm/minute
      
      ; Thermistors
      M305 P4 L25 H-70 X503 R2200 S"Metering"	 		; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the metering zone thermistor ADC correction
      M305 P3 L25 H-70 X504 R2200 S"Compression"		; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the compression thermistor ADC correction
      M305 P5 L25 H-70 X505 R2200 S"Feed"			; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the feed zone thermistor ADC correction
      M305 P6 L25 H-70 X506 R2200 S"Hopper"
      
      M307 H3 A123.4 C186.4 D16.1 S1.00 V0           		; Heater 3 settings
      M307 H4 A123.4 C186.4 D16.1 S1.00 V0           		; Heater 4 settings
      M307 H5 A123.4 C186.4 D16.1 S1.00 V0          		; Heater 5 settings
      
      M570 S300 						; Hot end may be a little slow to heat up so allow it 300 seconds
      
      
      ; Tool definitions
      M563 P0 S"Pellet Extruder" D0:1 H3:4:5:6		; Define tool 0
      M567 P0 E1:0.9						; Set tool 0 mixing ratio for main motor and auxiliary motor 
      
      G10 P0 S0 R0 						; Set tool 0 operating and standby temperatures
      
      M92 E420:420 						; Set extruder steps per mm
      
      M208 S1 Z-10.0 						; set minimum Z
      
      T0 							; select first hot end
      
      ; Enable Fan 1 thermostatic mode for heater 1 (E0 HEAT) at 45 degrees
      M106 P0 X150 T45 H6
      
      
      
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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti
        last edited by

        what firmware version are you running?

        what are the specs of the nema23 motors?

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        • Bloft Design Labundefined
          Bloft Design Lab
          last edited by

          @Veti The firmware is 2.02 RC4 based on Torbjörn Ludvigsen's Hangprinter firmware, but with additional customization by us. None of them affect the E drives though.

          The Nema23 spec are here https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/economy-planetary-gearbox/nema-23-stepper-motor-bipolar-l76mm-w-gear-raio-41-planetary-gearbox-23hs30-2804s-pg4.html?mfp=161-motor-nema-size[Nema 23]

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            whats your measured phase resistance with the 15m cable?

            the steppers are speced at Phase Resistance: 1.13ohms

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            • T3P3Tonyundefined
              T3P3Tony administrators @Bloft Design Lab
              last edited by

              @Bloft-Design-Lab worth trying them with short cables directly to the Duet if you can do that without too much hassle.

              Also you could try moving 1 of the motors to another driver (2,3,4 are unused i think), if that works try the other one.

              This is not the cause of the problem but M584s should be before M669
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M584_Set_drive_mapping

              Also please send M122 and put the results here, when the error is triggered.

              www.duet3d.com

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              • Bloft Design Labundefined
                Bloft Design Lab @Veti
                last edited by

                @Veti Going to measure that tomorrow

                @T3P3Tony Good point. Will correct the config and go through your suggestions.

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                • Bloft Design Labundefined
                  Bloft Design Lab @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Veti said in Extruder motors unresponsive:

                  whats your measured phase resistance with the 15m cable?

                  the steppers are speced at Phase Resistance: 1.13ohms

                  The Nema23 has a phase resistance of 1.9 ohm (with the cable)
                  And the Nema17 3.8 ohm

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                  • Bloft Design Labundefined
                    Bloft Design Lab @T3P3Tony
                    last edited by

                    @T3P3Tony said in Extruder motors unresponsive:

                    Also please send M122 and put the results here, when the error is triggered.

                    Here you go.

                    Btw, one strange behavior that I noticed was the M669 K6 command. If I put the drive settings before it, the drives won't work as expected. I assume this is due to the Hangprinter custom code.

                    M122
                    === Diagnostics ===
                    RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 2.02RC4(RTOS) running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                    Board ID: 08DGM-9T6BU-FG3S0-7JKF2-3S86Q-TA5RF
                    Used output buffers: 3 of 20 (8 max)
                    === RTOS ===
                    Static ram: 28564
                    Dynamic ram: 98980 of which 0 recycled
                    Exception stack ram used: 296
                    Never used ram: 3232
                    Tasks: NETWORK(ready,160) HEAT(blocked,1232) MAIN(running,3324) IDLE(ready,200)
                    Owned mutexes:
                    === Platform ===
                    Last reset 00:08:28 ago, cause: software
                    Last software reset at 2021-02-25 12:01, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 3104 bytes (slot 2)
                    Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0441f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0xffffffff Task 0x4e49414d
                    Error status: 0
                    Free file entries: 10
                    SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                    SD card longest block write time: 0.0ms, max retries 0
                    MCU temperature: min 28.4, current 28.8, max 29.1
                    Supply voltage: min 23.4, current 24.2, max 24.5, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                    Driver 0: standstill, SG min/max not available
                    Driver 1: standstill, SG min/max not available
                    Driver 2: standstill, SG min/max not available
                    Driver 3: standstill, SG min/max not available
                    Driver 4: standstill, SG min/max not available
                    Date/time: 2021-02-25 12:09:55
                    Cache data hit count 1821651575
                    Slowest loop: 4.63ms; fastest: 0.07ms
                    I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0
                    === Move ===
                    Hiccups: 0, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, FreeDm: 240, MinFreeDm: 239, MaxWait: 501704ms, Underruns: 0, 0
                    Scheduled moves: 1, completed moves: 1
                    Bed compensation in use: none
                    Bed probe heights: 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
                    === Heat ===
                    Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
                    Heater 3 is on, I-accum = 0.0
                    Heater 4 is on, I-accum = 0.0
                    Heater 5 is on, I-accum = 0.0
                    === GCodes ===
                    Segments left: 0
                    Stack records: 1 allocated, 0 in use
                    Movement lock held by null
                    http is idle in state(s) 0
                    telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                    file is idle in state(s) 0
                    serial is idle in state(s) 0
                    daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                    queue is idle in state(s) 0
                    autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                    Code queue is empty.
                    === Network ===
                    Slowest loop: 22.75ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                    Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
                    HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
                    - WiFi -
                    Network state is running
                    WiFi module is connected to access point
                    Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                    WiFi firmware version 1.22
                    WiFi MAC address 84:f3:eb:82:db:ae
                    WiFi Vcc 3.35, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                    WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 28808
                    WiFi IP address 192.168.43.109
                    WiFi signal strength -58dBm, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                    Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                    
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                    • T3P3Tonyundefined
                      T3P3Tony administrators
                      last edited by

                      that is not showing any errors with the stepper drivers....

                      www.duet3d.com

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                      • Bloft Design Labundefined
                        Bloft Design Lab
                        last edited by

                        Ok, I found the issue.

                        The steppers didn't work, because I had mapped all of the Duet drivers as extruders. Line 26 in our config. This is adopted from the Hangprinter config file.

                        I assumed that the drive number reflects the E-number in the Duet 2 wiring diagrams, but seems that this not the case. So, deleting the E0:1:2 from line 26 made the magic happen 🙂

                        Extruder is now ready. Finally!

                        But, then another issue surfaced. Again. It has nothing to do with Duet. One wire on our proto board had a bad solder joint and it got in contact with another pin (probably a power pin). The result was a fried Arduino Nano...

                        Trying to get replacement today. Can't wait 🙂

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