Dual Z-axis endstops
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yes there are several FT5 owners running dual home z. I am still waiting to see if going to 1 z motor and linking the 2 z axis would be a better option. I have Duet WIFI so if i don't, i will eatu p my extra extruder spot if I split Z. In series you only get half the power any way so not sure if there is an up side to 2 motors in series? I know we talked about that briefly, your thoughts are always appreciated DC42! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=askVj4_5f9c)
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If you connect two Z motors in series, you don't lose torque at low speeds. Each provides the same torque that a single motor would at the same current setting. However, the maximum speed you can run the motors at before the torque starts dropping is halved. This isn't normally a problem because high Z speeds are not required.
Firmware 1.19beta9 includes most of the implementation of bed leveling using multiple Z motors connected to individual drivers.
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This works great. Implemented it on my big machine and I no longer have to worry if one side sags at idle. The only oddity I've noticed is that regardless of how long the machine has been on or if the Z has already been homed, when I home the Z axis from full height, the right side is hitting the endstop before the left side by about 2 seconds. However, once I have homed it and take it back to Z0, I can do a G0 to run the machine down to 10mm above the endstop and then slowly manually move it down and the hit together. Then if I run it to Z0 and home again, same 2 second lag. Must have a digit out of place somewhere. Steps are set the same. Hmmmmm.
For reference, this machine is like an Ultimaker but about twice the size so Z0 is up.
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Got it homing evenly now. just mirrored all the settings for Z to U in the config file.
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I'm glad you sorted it!
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I think it was the steps
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Bear in mind that in firmware 1.19beta10, an alternative to using dual Z endstops now is to use auto bed levelling to adjust your 2 leadscrews independently to get the bed level after homing.
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I am considering using my 2 lead screws independently also, since I can add driver 12 to the LCD connector.
Your example shows assigning U axis to an unconnected driver, which in my case there will be none. So how would I configure dual lead screw (don't have auto bed leveling setup yet – I will add that in after I get the basics configured)This is what I have now:
M584 X0 Y1 U2 V3 W4 A5 E6:7:8:9 Z10
so if I were to add 11 it would change to
M584 X0 Y1 U2 V3 W4 A5 E6:7:8:9 Z10:11 then presumably I would define B somehow? would be also 11?I can remap other axis to -- as in U etc kinda like this:
M584 X0 Y1 V2 W3 A4 B5 E6:7:8:9 Z10:11 -- then I have U freed up as a limit switch on the primary duet as apposed to the expansion board, though I haven't notice any performance difference with 19.11 support for end stops on the expansion board.
Being that I have a large bed and there is the ability to add the 12th driver -- I can drop in another TB6600 and run my 2 lead screws independently.
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The recommended approach now is to use a Z probe and to drive the multiple Z leadscrews independently during bed levelling only. However, you could use the old approach of dual endstop switches instead if you want, but in your case use the B axis for the second Z leadscrew instead of U. Then you can use the M584 P parameter to hide the B axis.
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The recommended approach now is to use a Z probe and to drive the multiple Z leadscrews independently during bed levelling only. However, you could use the old approach of dual endstop switches instead if you want, but in your case use the B axis for the second Z leadscrew instead of U. Then you can use the M584 P parameter to hide the B axis.
I have different bed leveling options I will be trying once I have a bed
I need to prep the PEI sheet with the automotive paint before I adhere it to the boro glass, that is on my queue for next week. I ordered the second TB6600 and will be setting it up for now to use the old method with 2 limit switches as you said, so I'm assuming
The correct option for me is
M584 X0 Y1 U2 V3 W4 A5 E6:7:8:9 Z10:11 B11 P7
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 U2 V2 W1 A2 B1 S1then my homez.g would be
G91
M584 Z10 B11
G1 S1 Zxxx Bxxx
G92 Zxxx
M584 Z10:11
G90So I can't really "hide" or prevent inadvertent moves of the B axis – since at the end of the Z homing it still assigned to 11 (which I suppose isn't critical as no standard gcode contains G1 B commands)
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Question on this. Can I use my bl touch instead of endstops? I have the endstops but would rather not use if i do not have to. Can we use the Z probe for both Z and U. For example, home the bed, with bl touch this would leave space between nozzle and the bed. Then move the head to the other side of the build platform and use only the U motor to move until probe is triggered again.
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I have different bed leveling options I will be trying once I have a bed
I need to prep the PEI sheet with the automotive paint before I adhere it to the boro glass, that is on my queue for next week. I ordered the second TB6600 and will be setting it up for now to use the old method with 2 limit switches as you said, so I'm assuming
The correct option for me is
M584 X0 Y1 U2 V3 W4 A5 E6:7:8:9 Z10:11 B11 P7
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 U2 V2 W1 A2 B1 S1then my homez.g would be
G91
M584 Z10 B11
G1 S1 Zxxx Bxxx
G92 Zxxx
M584 Z10:11
G90So I can't really "hide" or prevent inadvertent moves of the B axis – since at the end of the Z homing it still assigned to 11 (which I suppose isn't critical as no standard gcode contains G1 B commands)
You can hide the B axis at the end of homing by adding P8 to the first M584 command and P7 to the second. The B axis will appear during Z homing but will be hidden afterwards.
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Question on this. Can I use my bl touch instead of endstops? I have the endstops but would rather not use if i do not have to. Can we use the Z probe for both Z and U. For example, home the bed, with bl touch this would leave space between nozzle and the bed. Then move the head to the other side of the build platform and use only the U motor to move until probe is triggered again.
Use the bltouch to home Z at bed centre as normal, then use the multiple leadscrew bed levelling facility described at https://duet3d.com/wiki/Bed_levelling_using_multiple_independent_Z_motors.
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I have have an FT-5 and want to split my Z axis when homing, my Home Z.g looks like this:
; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
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; generated by Jens Kej on Sun Mar 11 2018 15.00G91 ; relative mode
G1 Z4 F200 ; raise head 4mm to ensure it is above the switch trigger height
G90 ; back to absolute mode
G1 X-305 Y-305 F1800 S1; move XY home
G1 X150 Y150 F2000 ; put the head to be centered when you home Z
G91 ; relative mode
M584 Z2 U3 ; split Z axis in two
G1 Z-400 U-400 S1 F100 ; home the Z- and U axis
G92 Z0.1 ; tell the software that it 0,1 mm above bed
G90 ; back to absolute mode
M584 Z2:3 ; make One Z axis againthe bed is moving fine up and down from web interface but only the Z axis is trying move when I push home Z, why?
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Please post your config.g file.
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I have have an FT-5 and want to split my Z axis when homing, my Home Z.g looks like this:
; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
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; generated by Jens Kej on Sun Mar 11 2018 15.00G91 ; relative mode
G1 Z4 F200 ; raise head 4mm to ensure it is above the switch trigger height
G90 ; back to absolute mode
G1 X-305 Y-305 F1800 S1; move XY home
G1 X150 Y150 F2000 ; put the head to be centered when you home Z
G91 ; relative mode
M584 Z2 U3 ; split Z axis in two
G1 Z-400 U-400 S1 F100 ; home the Z- and U axis
G92 Z0.1 ; tell the software that it 0,1 mm above bed
G90 ; back to absolute mode
M584 Z2:3 ; make One Z axis againthe bed is moving fine up and down from web interface but only the Z axis is trying move when I push home Z, why?
here comes my config.g:
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.17)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
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; generated by Jens Kej on Thu Sep 21 2017 17:16:32 GMT+0200 (Rom, sommertid); General preferences
M111 S0 ; Debugging off
G21 ; Work in millimetres
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates…
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M555 P2 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like Marlin
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima
M208 X300 Y300 Z350 S0 ; Set axis maxima; Endstops
;M574 Z1 S1 ; Define Hall sensor active high on Z-axis
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 U1 S0 ; Define active low and unused microswitches
:M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F120 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
;G31 P600 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
;M557 X15:285 Y15:285 S20 ; Define mesh grid; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards
M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes backwards
M569 P4 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards
M569 P5 S1 ; Drive 5 goes forwards
M569 P6 S1 ; Drive 6 goes forwardsM584 X0 Y1 Z2:3 U3 E4:5:6 P3; Apply custom drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 U16 E16:16:16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80 Y80 Z400 U400 E100
100 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X900 Y900 Z12 U12 E120:120:120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000 Y6000 Z1000 U1000 E1200:1200:1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500 Y500 Z250 U250 E250:250:250 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X800 Y800 Z800 U800 E800:800:800 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout; Heaters
M143 S260 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 260C
M305 P0 T100000 B3950 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
;M305 P1 T100000 B3950 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
M305 P1 x151 ; Thermocouple
M307 H1 A626.6 C265.6 D13.9 ; hotend pid settings; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P1 D1 H1 ; Define tool 1
G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 1 axis offsets
G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P2 D2 H1 ; Define tool 2
G10 P2 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 2 axis offsets
G10 P2 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 2 active and standby temperatures to 0C; Network
M550 PFT-5 DD ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
M587 Sfarce95taske53lufffe P"be81b0f702d6d23152c28d870e" ; Configure access point. You can delete this line once connected
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet; Fans
M106 P0 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
M106 P2 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on; Custom settings are not configured
M501 ;Load overide config.g -
Your two M208 commands need to be moved to be after the M584 command, and you need to add U axis values to them.
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Your two M208 commands need to be moved to be after the M584 command, and you need to add U axis values to them.
I made something very wrong, messed it all up and had to put new configuration files on the SD-Card. Then I started all over again from scratch. Now my config.g and homez.g looks like this, much better structured, without unused comands etc. but the problem still remains the same:
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; config.g Dual Z-axis
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.20 or newer)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Mar 19 2018 17:18:48 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid)
; Edited by J. Kej on Mon Mar 19 2018 20:58:48 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid); General preferences
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves; Network
M550 PJK'S FT-5 DD ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
M587 S"farce95taske53lufe" P"be81b0f702d6d23152c28d870e" ; Configure access point.
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S1 ; Enable FTP
M586 P2 S1 ; Enable Telnet; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards
M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes backwards
M569 P4 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards
M569 P5 S1 ; Drive 5 goes forwards
M569 P6 S1 ; Drive 6 goes forwards
M584 X0 Y1 Z2:3 U3 E4:5:6 P3 ; Configure drive remapping to dual Z-axis
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 U16 E16:16:16 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
M92 X80 Y80 Z400 U400 E100100 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X900 Y900 Z12 U12 E120:120:120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000 Y6000 Z1800 U1800 E1200:1200:1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500 Y500 Z250 U250 E250:250:250 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X800 Y800 Z800 U800 E800:800:800 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 U1 S1 ; Set axis minima
M208 X300 Y300 Z350 U350 S0 ; Set axis maxima; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 U1 S0 ; Set active low endstops; Z-Probe
M558 P0 H3 F120 T6000 ; Disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
M557 X15:285 Y15:285 S20 ; Define mesh grid; Heaters
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M305 P1 X151 ; Configure thermocouple for heater 1
M143 H1 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C; Fans
M106 P0 S0.3 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
M106 P2 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P1 D1 H1 ; Define tool 1
G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 1 axis offsets
G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P2 D2 H1 ; Define tool 2
G10 P2 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 2 axis offsets
G10 P2 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 2 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P3 D0:1:2 H1 ; Define tool 3
G10 P3 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 3 axis offsets
G10 P3 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 3 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M568 P3 S1 ; Enable mixing for tool 3
M567 P3 E0.33:0.33:0.34 ; Set mixing ratios for tool 3; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled
; Custom settings
; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configured for Dual Z-axis by J. Kej on Mon Mar 19 2018 20:18:47 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid)
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M584 Z2 U3 P3
G1 S1 Z-355 U-355
G92 Z0.1
M584 Z2:3 P3 -
Have you tested the U endstop switch? Perhaps it is showing as already triggered. See https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_endstop_switches#Section_Test_endstop_switches.
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Your two M208 commands need to be moved to be after the M584 command, and you need to add U axis values to them.
I made something very wrong, messed it all up and had to put new configuration files on the SD-Card. Then I started all over again from scratch. Now my config.g and homez.g looks like this, much better structured, without unused comands etc. but the problem still remains the same:
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; config.g Dual Z-axis
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.20 or newer)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Mar 19 2018 17:18:48 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid)
; Edited by J. Kej on Mon Mar 19 2018 20:58:48 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid); General preferences
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves; Network
M550 PJK'S FT-5 DD ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
M587 S"farce95taske53lufe" P"be81b0f702d6d23152c28d870e" ; Configure access point.
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S1 ; Enable FTP
M586 P2 S1 ; Enable Telnet; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards
M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes backwards
M569 P4 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards
M569 P5 S1 ; Drive 5 goes forwards
M569 P6 S1 ; Drive 6 goes forwards
M584 X0 Y1 Z2:3 U3 E4:5:6 P3 ; Configure drive remapping to dual Z-axis
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 U16 E16:16:16 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
M92 X80 Y80 Z400 U400 E100100 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X900 Y900 Z12 U12 E120:120:120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000 Y6000 Z1800 U1800 E1200:1200:1200 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500 Y500 Z250 U250 E250:250:250 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X800 Y800 Z800 U800 E800:800:800 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 U1 S1 ; Set axis minima
M208 X300 Y300 Z350 U350 S0 ; Set axis maxima; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 Z1 U1 S0 ; Set active low endstops; Z-Probe
M558 P0 H3 F120 T6000 ; Disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
M557 X15:285 Y15:285 S20 ; Define mesh grid; Heaters
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M305 P1 X151 ; Configure thermocouple for heater 1
M143 H1 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C; Fans
M106 P0 S0.3 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
M106 P2 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P1 D1 H1 ; Define tool 1
G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 1 axis offsets
G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P2 D2 H1 ; Define tool 2
G10 P2 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 2 axis offsets
G10 P2 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 2 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M563 P3 D0:1:2 H1 ; Define tool 3
G10 P3 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; Set tool 3 axis offsets
G10 P3 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 3 active and standby temperatures to 0C
M568 P3 S1 ; Enable mixing for tool 3
M567 P3 E0.33:0.33:0.34 ; Set mixing ratios for tool 3; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled
; Custom settings
; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configured for Dual Z-axis by J. Kej on Mon Mar 19 2018 20:18:47 GMT+0100 (Rom, normaltid)
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M584 Z2 U3 P3
G1 S1 Z-355 U-355
G92 Z0.1
M584 Z2:3 P3Endstop Z and U are working properly, led's on board lights up when i hit them with my finger. That's not the issue…...
