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    • Egon.Netundefined
      Egon.Net
      last edited by

      Please everyone wanting some pcb's PM me with:

      • Number of PCB's required
      • Bare PCB/DIY kit/assembled
      • Where to send in the world

      I want to do a small batch first (10 or so), but since I don't know how many boards you all may need, maybe a bit bigger batch could be enough. Once I have this numbers, I'll put a price for every option.

      Thanks in advance to everyone!

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      • Egon.Netundefined
        Egon.Net
        last edited by

        Just received one query... No one else wants to enter the first batch?

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt @Egon.Net
          last edited by

          @Egon-Net said in Designing a PWM to Analog mini board for fans:

          Just received one query... No one else wants to enter the first batch?

          You asked for a PM but I don't know what that is.

          I do want some as I previously mentioned.

          If the price is right I would want 25.

          Frederick

          Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          • ZipZapundefined
            ZipZap @fcwilt
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            @fcwilt said in Designing a PWM to Analog mini board for fans:

            You asked for a PM but I don't know what that is.

            PM = personal message, so just chat

            /Julien

            Most important guide -> Triffid Hunter's Calibration Guide
            HyperCube EVO (derivate) in 250x250x300 - enclosed for ABS - Duet2WiFi - custom watercooling

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            • Egon.Netundefined
              Egon.Net
              last edited by

              First batch ordered!

              15 PCB are on its way šŸ™‚

              If there is no problem with the design, I'll order about 50 more, wich would be enough for all the boards everyone asked for.

              Anyone wants to betatest a board from this first batch once arrives?

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              • ZipZapundefined
                ZipZap @Egon.Net
                last edited by

                @Egon-Net said in Designing a PWM to Analog mini board for fans:

                Anyone wants to betatest a board from this first batch once arrives?

                āœ‹

                Most important guide -> Triffid Hunter's Calibration Guide
                HyperCube EVO (derivate) in 250x250x300 - enclosed for ABS - Duet2WiFi - custom watercooling

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @Egon.Net
                  last edited by

                  @Egon-Net said in Designing a PWM to Analog mini board for fans:

                  Anyone wants to betatest a board from this first batch once arrives?

                  Be happy to.

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • marceloriderundefined
                    marcelorider @Egon.Net
                    last edited by

                    @Egon-Net I’m in for beta testing if you need. We are also pretty close geographically šŸ˜‰

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                    • Egon.Netundefined
                      Egon.Net
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                      Boards arrived!

                      1616584861654.jpg

                      They are VERY small and very cute šŸ™‚
                      As soon as I get some spare time I will assemble the first one and perform some testing. If it all works ok, then I will move it to the betatesters phase šŸ™‚

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                      • zaptaundefined
                        zapta @Egon.Net
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                        @Egon-Net, looks very nice, with good clearance for the mounting posts.

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                        • Egon.Netundefined
                          Egon.Net @zapta
                          last edited by

                          Ok, here it is! First board mounted!

                          1616920852779.jpg

                          I have to recognize the accuracy of TINA TI simulation. It warned me about an inestability, but I wasn't sure if it was a simulation error or the real thing. Turned out it was the real thing, TINA TI even nailed the shape of the inestability checked with a real oscilloscope on the real circuit. Luckily, I already found that a capacitor fixed the inestability in TINA TI, and it worked too in real life:

                          1616920852775.jpg

                          It's a shame that such a cute board needs something that cluncky , but hey, that's what betatesting is for.

                          The good news is the circuit works very well, the output is very smooth, and roge fans work perfectly. PWM selector also works as expected, allowing active high/active low/open collector PWM. And although the opamp is supposed to work from 4.5V, I tested it as low as 3.3V and it still worked ok! And the output beautifully tracks Vin on the fly.

                          The response from PWM changing is as fast as "I can't measure it visually" (about 0.3 sec according to the simulation) .

                          So from now on, time to request betatest units, knowing they will need that extra capacitor. I have components to build 10 boards, and 14 bare pcb's.

                          Regarding cost, this is what I thought:
                          Just a bare board: 4€/piece
                          DIY kit (without headers/jumpers): 8€/kit
                          Fully assembled and tested (with optional headers/jumpers): 15€/piece
                          ( + shipping costs).

                          @ZipZap , @marcelorider , @fcwilt still interested in betatesting?

                          Once betatesting is completed, I'll modify the board with only SMD diode and a new smaller SMD capacitor, so the board will be a little bigger but cute again.

                          Comments?

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                          • Egon.Netundefined
                            Egon.Net @Egon.Net
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                            Some oscilloscope captures, all at 250Hz, 4V PWM, 12V Vin.
                            (Apologies for my function generator, is quite rubbish)

                            99% PWM (oscilloscope can't detect duty cicle reliably)
                            99.png

                            75% PWM
                            75.png

                            50% PWM
                            50.png

                            25% PWM
                            25.png

                            1%PWM
                            1.png

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                            • ZipZapundefined
                              ZipZap @Egon.Net
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                              @egon-net

                              Sounds all swell to me.
                              I'm still in on beta-testing, i would like an assembled board (because of a missing hotair-gun...).
                              For the final version, i would like eight (8) non-assembled kits.

                              Most important guide -> Triffid Hunter's Calibration Guide
                              HyperCube EVO (derivate) in 250x250x300 - enclosed for ABS - Duet2WiFi - custom watercooling

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                              • marceloriderundefined
                                marcelorider
                                last edited by

                                Hey, happy to see it is working fine šŸ™‚
                                I'm in for the beta testing, shot you a PM, let me know something as soon as you can to get my hands on it.

                                You also need to include or build info regarding the jumpers to make it easier for people like myself šŸ˜„

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                                • Egon.Netundefined
                                  Egon.Net @marcelorider
                                  last edited by

                                  To all betatesters: How is it going? Any comments yet?

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                                  • ZipZapundefined
                                    ZipZap @Egon.Net
                                    last edited by

                                    @egon-net

                                    Still testing, should be ready tomorrow or wednesday.

                                    Most important guide -> Triffid Hunter's Calibration Guide
                                    HyperCube EVO (derivate) in 250x250x300 - enclosed for ABS - Duet2WiFi - custom watercooling

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                                    • ZipZapundefined
                                      ZipZap @ZipZap
                                      last edited by

                                      Bummer.
                                      I have another circuit (@Egon-Net for the big fan), which should have a ripple around 30mV.
                                      It shows me a ripple of 28V... i think my oscilloscope is not working right.

                                      I have a replacement in delivery, so i should be able to make all my desired measurements around the weekend. Sorry for the delay.

                                      /Julien

                                      Most important guide -> Triffid Hunter's Calibration Guide
                                      HyperCube EVO (derivate) in 250x250x300 - enclosed for ABS - Duet2WiFi - custom watercooling

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                                      • Egon.Netundefined
                                        Egon.Net @ZipZap
                                        last edited by

                                        Well, I just mounted 8 PWM beta boards in my printer, two for each tool (one cold end, one part cooling)

                                        I already connected 4 of them, and they work beautifully. I finally can control my stubborn fans! I'll make some more endurance test (to check temperatures in the long run) and wait for the betatesters to report, but there should be no problem for a final board run.

                                        Still interested?

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                                        • Egon.Netundefined
                                          Egon.Net @Egon.Net
                                          last edited by

                                          Everything ready for the next batch of final boards! šŸ˜„

                                          Everyone who asked me for boards is already contacted for this batch. There are 23 boards finally requested, so I'll probably do a 25-board batch. Does anyone else need one before I place the orders to part suppliers?

                                          I can also supply a STL/STEP file with the board and a basic box just in case you need šŸ™‚

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                                          • NexxCatundefined
                                            NexxCat @Egon.Net
                                            last edited by

                                            @egon-net Out of interest. What would the cost be per board, delivered to the UK? Do you think they could be assembled with a fine tipped soldering iron, or only hot air?

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