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    Thermister problems: Duet Wifi Board v1.0

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    • T3P3Tonyundefined
      T3P3Tony administrators @wurth51
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      @wurth51 ok, well it's good that you have the VIN being detected.

      What happens with the reading in the third input if you test the thermistors there?

      What command are you using to set them up?

      www.duet3d.com

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      • wurth51undefined
        wurth51 @T3P3Tony
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        @t3p3tony Hi. I assume you are referring to the config settings for the thermistors. If not please let me know what to do to get the info for you. Really appreciate your assist on this.
        config.g**
        Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3.3)
        ; executed by the firmware on start-up
        ;
        ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.3 on Sun Oct 03 2021 21:00:10 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

        ; General preferences
        M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
        G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
        M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
        M550 P"Duett Valcano" ; set printer name

        ; Network
        M551 P"xxxxxxxxxxxx" ; set password
        M552 S1 ; enable network
        M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
        M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
        M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

        ; Drives
        M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
        M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
        M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
        M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
        M569 P4 S1 ; physical drive 4 goes forwards
        M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3:4 ; set drive mapping
        M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16:16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
        M92 X64.50 Y64.50 Z754.00 E640.00:640.00 ; set steps per mm
        M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00:120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
        M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00:1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00:250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E800:800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
        M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

        ; Axis Limits
        M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
        M208 X210 Y210 Z180 S0 ; set axis maxima

        ; Endstops
        M574 X1 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
        M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
        M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin zstop

        ; Z-Probe
        M558 P0 H5 F120 T6000 ; disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
        M557 X15:190 Y15:195 S20 ; define mesh grid

        ; Heaters
        M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
        M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
        M307 H0 B0 R0.206 C505.8 D3.68 S1.00 V12.5 ; created for bed PID after running M303 Sept2021
        ;M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
        M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
        M143 H0 S85 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 85C
        M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
        M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
        M307 H1 B0 R1.446 C274.7 D8.49 S1.00 V11.4 ; created based on M303 command Sept2021
        ;M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
        M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

        ; Fans
        M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
        M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
        M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
        M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

        ; Tools
        M563 P0 S"Right" D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
        G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
        G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
        M563 P1 S"Left" D1 H1 F0 ; define tool 1
        G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
        G10 P1 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C

        ; Custom settings are not defined

        Roy

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
          T3P3Tony administrators @wurth51
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          @wurth51

          M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
          ....
          M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
          

          Those look right. Please add the following line:

          M308 S2 P"e1temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
          

          A new sensor should appear in the "extras" tab on DWC. Now try plugging each of the bed and e1 thermistors in there to see what readings you get.

          Also try shorting (using a jumper) across the bedtemp and e0 temp inputs to see if the reading changes from -273 to 2000.

          www.duet3d.com

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          • wurth51undefined
            wurth51 @T3P3Tony
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            @t3p3tony said in Thermister problems: Duet Wifi Board v1.0:

            M308 S2 P"e1temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp

            Ok.... that brought all three thermisters up on the interface. I shorted each one out and there was no change to the readings. Held constant at -273.1 deg. Looks like a component failure??? Is this repairable? Board is way out of warranty.

            Roy

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            • dc42undefined
              dc42 administrators @wurth51
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              @wurth51 if they all read -273 then it sounds like the VSSA fuse has failed. https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connector_and_spare_part_numbers#Section_VSSA_fuse

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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              • wurth51undefined
                wurth51 @dc42
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                @dc42

                Thank you very much for responding to this post. It was in fact the fuse (took me awhile to find it). Did a quick bypass on the fuse and all the thermistors immediately started reading normal. I will with the article you provided to put a permanent solution in place.

                Not sure how to mark this thread as "closed/solved"!

                Roy

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                • wurth51undefined
                  wurth51 @wurth51
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                  @wurth51

                  A big thanks to T3P3Tony for their assistance in getting me past the software being the problem and to dc42 for pointing me to the hardware solution.

                  It's a great day to be a Duet user.

                  Roy

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                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
                    T3P3Tony administrators @wurth51
                    last edited by

                    @wurth51 worth considering how the VSSA fuse was blown. It is a PTC fuse that should reset itself after time when it triggers so if it failed it may have been exposed, or repeatedly exposed, to a high enough current to cause it to fail. Its there to protect the VSSA input on the temperature headers from a high voltage which is sometimes caused when the hotend (or bed) heater wiring shorts to a temperature wiring. Worth checking your wiring! from your first post It sounds like you might have an issue with using a 12V heater at 24V as well which is not recommended.

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators @T3P3Tony
                      last edited by

                      @t3p3tony he has a v1.0 board so the fuse isn't a PTC self-resetting one. Nevertheless, there must have been a short or transient of some sort to cause it to blow.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      • wurth51undefined
                        wurth51 @dc42
                        last edited by

                        @dc42

                        Got the little resettable fuse and 10k resistor installed. Board is now working fine.

                        The article you referred me to indicated that the firmware would respond to a "short" based on the installation of the 10k resistor. Can you elaborate on what I would expect to see should the fuse blow?

                        Thanks

                        Roy

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators @wurth51
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                          @wurth51 if you get a short between Vssa and a higher voltage then you should get a message on the DWC console warning you of the short.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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