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    • pfnundefined
      pfn @A Former User
      last edited by pfn

      @arnold_r_clark

      I'm also seeing similar behavior since updating to 3.4.0b6 (from 3.3.0)

      My bed heater faults very often while initially warming up. And I can also clear the fault and continue heating, but very annoying.

      Re-running PID tuning did not improve the situation.

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      • SIamundefined
        SIam @pfn
        last edited by

        Hi,

        Try to use the half of the computed R value from the PID Tuning, This is how it works with my printer

        https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/25321/bed-heater-fault-3-4-b5

        Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
        Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
        RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
        Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
        Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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        • gloomyandyundefined
          gloomyandy @pfn
          last edited by

          @pfn There are quite a few fixes post beta6: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commits/3.4-dev

          Some of these may impact the problem you are seeing...
          https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commit/37b4e02726993763b477181b6aa918089e2210b4
          https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commit/1e0e6c99252dee6aa20194f212aca3be6e68415a

          0 dc42 committed to Duet3D/RepRapFirmware
          Fixed heater fault detection while heating up
          
          Also shortened the M307 response so that it fits in the reply buffer
          0 dc42 committed to Duet3D/RepRapFirmware
          Fixed bug in calculation of heater PID parameters
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          • pfnundefined
            pfn @gloomyandy
            last edited by

            @gloomyandy thanks for digging! looks like known issues that will be resolved in the next beta/rc

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            • Exerqtorundefined
              Exerqtor @gloomyandy
              last edited by Exerqtor

              @gloomyandy

              Well there you go, just have to adjust the heating rate until b7 / RC1 sees day then 🤣

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              • Gixxerfastundefined
                Gixxerfast @gloomyandy
                last edited by

                @gloomyandy Thanks for the info.

                I thought that my Nevermore carbon recirculation filter with fans was responisble for the heater errors.

                Looking forward to the next beta release then 🙂

                Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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                • gloomyandyundefined
                  gloomyandy @Gixxerfast
                  last edited by

                  @gixxerfast Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the above changes will fix the problem, just that some things have been changed! Will need to be tested with the next release I guess?

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                  • Exerqtorundefined
                    Exerqtor @gloomyandy
                    last edited by

                    @gloomyandy said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                    @gixxerfast Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the above changes will fix the problem, just that some things have been changed! Will need to be tested with the next release I guess?

                    @dc42 Guess this is something you could either confirm or deny?

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                    • hestiahuangundefined
                      hestiahuang
                      last edited by

                      Heater 0 fault: temperature rising too slowly: expected 0.44°C/sec measured 0.21°C/sec

                      Build the new source code after Beta6, the same.

                      Heater 0 fault: temperature rising too slowly: expected 0.44°C/sec measured 0.21°C/sec

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators @hestiahuang
                        last edited by

                        @hestiahuang did you run M303 heater tuning on the bed heater, and save the M307 result?

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        • hestiahuangundefined
                          hestiahuang @dc42
                          last edited by hestiahuang

                          @dc42
                          yes, I did. Ran Auto PID and saved, also restarted. But still failed, even I used bangbang mode, full speed, I mean.
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                          After above, I got this too b68c20db-d126-466c-adc8-cf9f6680ff2d-image.png

                          Then I changed the code and built Beta7 version, everything looks good now.
                          I adjusted the factor 0.5 to small value simplely => RepRapFirmware\src\Heating\LocalHeater.cpp => Line#317 => if (actualTemperatureRise < expectedTemperatureRise * 0.5)
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                          • hestiahuangundefined
                            hestiahuang @dc42
                            last edited by

                            @dc42 I guess this should be new good feature, it will be perfect if it is better to enlarge the limitation. Or can have parameter to set expected rate.

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                            • hestiahuangundefined
                              hestiahuang @hestiahuang
                              last edited by

                              Need to resume my printer can print first, so I call it simple way...👼

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                              • hestiahuangundefined
                                hestiahuang @dc42
                                last edited by

                                @dc42
                                Read from change history, issue is involved from Beta3 and keeping improving.
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                                • hestiahuangundefined
                                  hestiahuang @dc42
                                  last edited by

                                  @dc42
                                  similar topics
                                  https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/24842/rrf-3-4b3-bed-heater-fault/14?_=1639653214558
                                  https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/24809/3-4-0-beta-3-heater-0-fault/12

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators @hestiahuang
                                    last edited by

                                    @hestiahuang we have made changes in 3.4.0beta 7 that we believe resolve the majority of these cases.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    • hestiahuangundefined
                                      hestiahuang @dc42
                                      last edited by

                                      @dc42 You did great! Thank you so much!

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                                      • joekoundefined
                                        joeko
                                        last edited by

                                        now with beta7 i also get this error. with rrf 3.3 all was fine

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                                        • Exerqtorundefined
                                          Exerqtor @joeko
                                          last edited by

                                          @joeko
                                          Have you re tuned the heater after upgrading to b7? I haven't gotten around to test mine btw, so just asking out of curiosity 😋

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                                          • joekoundefined
                                            joeko @Exerqtor
                                            last edited by

                                            @exerqtor said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                                            @joeko
                                            Have you re tuned the heater after upgrading to b7? I haven't gotten around to test mine btw, so just asking out of curiosity 😋

                                            yes after update from 3.3 to this beta7 i did an pid tuning for bed and hotend with m500. with 3.3 there was no problem. i reduced the r in 307 to 0.19 and was able to heat the bed and print

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