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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by

      Congratulations on building a working printer from scratch.

      Without knowing what your prints look like and what it is that you want to improve, it's hard to know how we can help you.

      The heater temperature limits can be changed using the M143 command. See the supported gcodes page on the wiki for the detail. The bed heater is normally heater 0.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      • ThatBigPrintundefined
        ThatBigPrint
        last edited by

        https://ibb.co/album/nbmiva

        This is the link as you can see after retraction it oozes out more even with 3mm retraction

        Im using printbite at moment so will higher bed temp help ?

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        • deckingmanundefined
          deckingman
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          Could do with some more info. Like print speed, layer height, nozzle size, layer width, print temperature, filament type, bed temperature, cooling fan (yes/no) etc

          At a glance, I'd say you have the hot end set at too high a temperature. But there are gaps between the infill and perimeters which could indicate under extrusion. It's not handling overhangs well at all - might need print cooling or a lower layer height will help (but so will lower extrusion temperature). It's not doing small sections well - could just be too hot.

          The first thing I'd do is some test pieces - simple cubes and so forth to fine tune the extruder steps per mm and find the best temperature for that particular filament. Then move on to one of the test pieces on thingiverse to set the retraction settings. Once you done that, then you can look at fine tuning your slicer settings for that particular model.

          Ian
          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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          • raykholoundefined
            raykholo
            last edited by

            First pic:
            possible retraction needs increasing, but not sure about this yet. Do you have an end gcode to move the nozzle away from the print (there's that thing on the top of the chimney).
            Underextrusion: either your E steps/mm is off, or your extruder isn't pushing fully, or your filament diameter/ extrusion multiplier is off. May also check that gap fill is turned on.
            Nozzle too hot or insufficent part cooling: the droop at the back hole and roof bottom.

            Second pic:
            Chimney: definitely needs more part cooling. More evidence of droop at the roof bottom as well.
            Those lines on the outside of the hull: either z banding or over extrusion.
            More evidence of droop at the roof bottom suggesting

            Third pic:
            Can see letters on bottom. Good.
            Again, underside of hull. More part cooling. Only 1 or a few "zit" visible here, retraction seems ok.

            5th pic:
            Least flattering image of the bunch πŸ™‚

            So, what slicer, what settings are in it wrt what I mentioned above…?
            Nice machine, I see no part cooling fan and what seems to be a bowden extruder.

            What extruder are you using? Very easy for a cheap extruder to miss steps/ extrude unevenly.

            What nozzle size? If it's bigger than 0.4 (ie 0.6mm and up) we're in "fat lines" business and I change my approach significantly.
            If it's a volcano style nozzle (seems to be) then your plastic will stay hot much longer and the part cooling fan is even more important.

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            • ThatBigPrintundefined
              ThatBigPrint
              last edited by

              Will answer software later tonight when im with the laptop

              Nozzle genuine E3D volcano 0.4mm (new not warn) the unit was designed to super rapid printing hence voice of hotend (0.6mm was original intention customer wanted custom pcb jig hence they 0.4 in situe)

              There is a part cooling fan but due to my adhesion issues the cooling fan lifts my parts worse (the pictures above are without fan)

              Extruder is E3ds titan on a bowden set up with a good sized motor.

              Thanks both for feed back so far as said i will post the slicer settings when im home

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              • deckingmanundefined
                deckingman
                last edited by

                How long is the Bowden tube and what length retraction are you using with it. I think you'll see the largest improvement by dropping the hot end temperature unless you are printing at very high speed. The volcano has a large melt chamber and you'll find that for "normal" speeds you can use a much lower temperature than you have been used to. My hot end also has a large melt chamber and I regularly print at 10 to 15 degrees below the manufacturers recommendations because it gives me far better results. But try and see - every printer is different.

                Ian
                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                • ThatBigPrintundefined
                  ThatBigPrint
                  last edited by

                  I will try that now and tube is 700mm long with 3mm retraction

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                  • raykholoundefined
                    raykholo
                    last edited by

                    Ian I have a 300x300mm machine with Volcano 0.8mm on it and stopped using this one because I cannot sustain the filament requirements πŸ™‚

                    Of course I'm building a machine for each hotend type I have, so it's ok. And I have a big E3D box.

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                    • deckingmanundefined
                      deckingman
                      last edited by

                      @raykholo:

                      Ian I have a 300x300mm machine with Volcano 0.8mm on it and stopped using this one because I cannot sustain the filament requirements πŸ™‚

                      …....................................

                      So you wouldn't like my 350 x 375 x 750 with 5 colour Diamond that takes 5 reels at a time πŸ™‚ I also have a 0.9mm diameter Diamond but that's only 3 colour. I bought it for printing T Glass but having re-mortgaged the house to buy 3 reels of T glass, I'm saving it for something really special πŸ™‚

                      Ian
                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                      • raykholoundefined
                        raykholo
                        last edited by

                        Oh, I read your other comment about this. This was in response to that.

                        I would love it, but I'd have to make a version with a 0.2mm nozzle for myself so that I could use 5 filament color scraps instead of 5 reels.

                        If we count all my half-built/ torn apart frames, I now have 20 printers.

                        Deltaprintr Delta Go
                        Vslot Mini Kossel
                        P3steel (makerfront i3, heavily modified)
                        2 x Wanhao Duplicator i3 - heavily upgraded. First one just became my best printing machine, second one is getting a diy 4x y splitter like prusa multimaterial.
                        Duplicator i3 Plus. On the list for modifications.
                        3 custom designed sheet metal based on CNC machanics - this is the 300mm^3 frame.
                        Also have 1 where this was a box frame from 20x40 extrusion instead of a folded sheet metal frame.
                        Yellowjacket (small 200x200 of the same frame type)
                        Still have the 80/20 Frame from the gmax I tried to build as my first printer.
                        600x600mm frame from 20x40 vlsot
                        5 frankenbot. Our clone of the old laser cut wood Printrbot Plus, BOM around $125.

                        DICE.

                        I spend over $250 buying 18kg of PLA at a time from Microcenter.

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                        • ThatBigPrintundefined
                          ThatBigPrint
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                          right guys part cooling fan and abs seams to fail regardless of what I'm trying ? maybe its to powerful… ? print bite temperature settings ? bed 115deg and hot end 220deg ? what do you guys think to retraction settings ?

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                          • ThatBigPrintundefined
                            ThatBigPrint
                            last edited by

                            how is best for me to upload the simplify 3d ff file ?

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                            • ThatBigPrintundefined
                              ThatBigPrint
                              last edited by

                              now things have gotten harder i tried updating the firmware with he web interface and it restarted as i had expected but can't connect to it both online and through usb ?

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                              • dc42undefined
                                dc42 administrators
                                last edited by

                                What firmware versions were you upgrading from and to? Did you read the upgrade notes first?

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                • ThatBigPrintundefined
                                  ThatBigPrint
                                  last edited by

                                  original wifi firmware to the most recent 1.19.2 followed this https://duet3d.com/wiki/Updating_WiFi_firmware_or_DuetWebControl_files

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by

                                    Did you read the upgrade notes?

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    • ThatBigPrintundefined
                                      ThatBigPrint
                                      last edited by

                                      No just looked at instructions i was in a rush to get updated because of the heated bed issue. Is it fixable ?

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by

                                        Yes, but now you will need to install the new DuetWiFiServer.bin by copying it to /sys on the SD card in a PC. The upgrade notes link to https://duet3d.com/wiki/Upgrading_to_DuetWiFiFirmware_1.19.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • ThatBigPrintundefined
                                          ThatBigPrint
                                          last edited by

                                          looking at this only one issue i can't connect to the printer through usb (i will get another usb cable to double check) even after the erase and reset having spoken to Roland this afternoon

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                                          • dc42undefined
                                            dc42 administrators
                                            last edited by

                                            See https://duet3d.com/wiki/What_to_do_if_your_Duet_or_Duet_WiFi_won%27t_respond.

                                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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