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    • Motalwundefined
      Motalw
      last edited by

      I'm in.
      by the way I have designed a Duet Wifi / duex5 enclosure which can be found here https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2555763

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      • pogo1213undefined
        pogo1213
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        Is this still open or have all be accounted for?

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
          T3P3Tony administrators
          last edited by

          its still open, I will review the designs later this week!

          www.duet3d.com

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          • pogo1213undefined
            pogo1213
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            I have completed my first phase of the mount. I intend to mount it inline of a bowden system while mounted to a 2020 rail. I added a way to add bowden couplings to the system.

            https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2579425

            If you have any suggestions or questions please let me know!

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            • T3P3Tonyundefined
              T3P3Tony administrators
              last edited by

              Cheers pogo1213, do you have a illustration of how it assembles?

              www.duet3d.com

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              • pogo1213undefined
                pogo1213
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                I can get that posted tonight

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                • ssrppundefined
                  ssrpp
                  last edited by

                  Hi
                  My attempt at a design for the filament monitor, still a work in progress but installed tested and operates very well.
                  Hope you like it 🙂

                  https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2581112

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                  • pogo1213undefined
                    pogo1213
                    last edited by

                    Here is an exploded view of how it will mount to a 2020 rail
                    http://a360.co/2xAyLpz

                    Required Hardware
                    Standard hardware for the Filament Monitor
                    1-M3x16 with magnet fitted
                    3-623ZZ bearing
                    1-Hobbed insert
                    1-M3 full net
                    1-M3x16 socket cap screw
                    2-3d printed spring
                    1-PCB
                    Addition Hardware
                    4-M3x10 socket cap screw https://www.amazon.com/Alloy-Steel-Socket-Screws-Black/dp/B00W97A674/ref=sr_1_13?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1507763653&sr=1-13&keywords=m3+socket+head+cap+screw
                    4-M3X3mm Female Threaded Brass Insert (heatset them into the Mechanical Enclosure to screw the Bowden Coupling Mount with M3x10mm screws)https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IYWTCWW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
                    2-M5x8mm screws (to mount to 2020)http://openbuildspartstore.com/low-profile-screws-m5/
                    2-M5 T-nuts (to mount to 2020) https://folgertech.com/products/12-x-lm8uu-4-x-608zz-2-x-623zz-bearing-kit-prusa-i3-rework-reprap-3d-printer

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                    • edwardocollinsundefined
                      edwardocollins
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                      Got my design ready to post, uploaded it to Thingiverse, went to publish… New users have to wait 24 hours. So my design is coming, but this time tomorrow...

                      Details though - this design is primarily intended for my D-bot, which when completed will be running 4 E3D Titans feeding a Kraken. However, it should work just fine on just about any bowden setup using a Titan. It fits in the groove mount in place of the aluminium adaptor and then has a pneumatic fitting underneath to retain the tube, and rather than use a printed-spring-loaded bearing it uses a notched bowden tube and a printed pressure pad to apply pressure to the hobb. Naturally, none of this has been tested though...

                      In the mean time, here's a pic... https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4cJchdZxC0vRWpGdGJBWmZaSzg
                      I'll be interested to know what you think!

                      Edit - now up on Thingiverse… https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2582532

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                      • T3P3Tonyundefined
                        T3P3Tony administrators
                        last edited by

                        Thanks all for the work.

                        ssrp - nice and minimalist, might struggle with slightly flexible filaments though. Will be interesting to see. I like the flange bearing for the idler - makes it harder for the filament to slip out. How do you adjust the idler tension?

                        pogo1234 - I see now, I take it there are pneumatic style bowden couplers on both sides?

                        edwardo - two great ideas in this, a groove mount adaptor for a titan and the PTFE almost completely enclosing the filament. Something like this will probably be really important for flexible filaments. I have not done enough experimenting with flexibles and the filament monitor yet but really flexible stuff is difficult so this is probably part of the solution (another part being a very smooth running filament reel mount so the filament does not stretch at all.)

                        I have time set aside tomorrow to assemble and test the last of the beta boards. I am then going to contact as many people as I have spare boards to work out how we are going to get you one.

                        www.duet3d.com

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                        • pogo1213undefined
                          pogo1213
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                          @T3P3Tony:

                          pogo1234 - I see now, I take it there are pneumatic style bowden couplers on both sides?

                          Yes, I use the grove mount style from here ( https://www.filastruder.com/collections/e3d-spare-parts-and-accessories/products/bowden-couplings-all-types?variant=21286000324)
                          It seems they are pretty easy to get and I have had great success with them. I will add them to the hardware list. Thanks for the feedback.

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                          • ssrppundefined
                            ssrpp
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                            I had some issues today with some movement only using two of the mounting holes on the Smart Effector, I only used 2 due to the clip on the 6 way connector being on the inside. I will at some point reverse the connector to allow better use of that mount hole, it needs to use all 3.
                            Optimizing for flexible filaments shouldn't be too difficult, the the ptfe tube was originally further through the bottom of the mount and cut angled to get closer to the hobbed bolt and bearing.
                            Tensioning is done by a small torsion spring visible just below flanged bearing. The hobbed bolt and bearing have so little friction i didn't deem that much pressure on the filament to be required, although appreciate it must not slip!

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                            • Zesty_Lykleundefined
                              Zesty_Lykle
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                              Sorry, I am a bit late to the game, been way too busy designing adapters.
                              Here is my version: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2587313

                              It is a simple stacked design. Originally the stacks were identical, but the bowden tube need made it a little more tricky and now there are 2 separate stacks or bearing housings.
                              The top most stack has smaller bolt holes so that thread can be tapped in it, to remove the need for nuts on that side.

                              The two ends for the bowden tube are the same, so it is reversible making sure the user can always see the LEDs.
                              The box that holds the PCB is easy to modify, so that any mounting system can be used. For now I have a simple clip that clips it to the drive cable of the Nimble.
                              Doug has printed the version without the bowden tubes and it looks pretty.
                              https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/106223050856341504/369060200939782144/20171015_105042.jpg

                              Lykle
                              Design, make and enjoy life

                              Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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                              • Zesty_Lykleundefined
                                Zesty_Lykle
                                last edited by

                                I have a different design, but that needs to be SLS printed, it cannot be printed using FDM.
                                It only uses 2 bearings and the magnet screw with hob, nothing else.
                                But I will need to add bowden points to that.
                                The big advantage of this design is that the filament can be slipped in, no need to thread it through the housing. In other words, it can be slipped into place after the filament has been loaded.

                                If you are still interested, despite the fact that it is SLS printed, let me know.

                                Lykle
                                Design, make and enjoy life

                                Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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                                • DjDemonDundefined
                                  DjDemonD
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                                  Hi Lykle,

                                  That's a great idea, I knew there was a neater way to do it, mine has been working but it makes getting to the breach a PITA. I will print one now and try it.

                                  Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                  www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                  PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                                  • DjDemonDundefined
                                    DjDemonD
                                    last edited by

                                    Just one thing, the Duet3D version retains the bearing of magnet shaft, in your version it does not. I found this with my version also, and solved it by applying a drop of adhesive to the outer of the bearing to stop it sliding out slightly which brings the magnet away from the PCB and causes it to stop working, maybe worth placing a small flange over the front of bearing block 1 like this:

                                    Of course, it might be that the bearing will be an interference fit and this won't be necessary.

                                    Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                    www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                    PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                                    • Zesty_Lykleundefined
                                      Zesty_Lykle
                                      last edited by

                                      I had a devil of a time getting the bearings in. I doubt if they would walk out by themselves
                                      But, always good to add some safety measures

                                      Lykle
                                      Design, make and enjoy life

                                      Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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                                      • DjDemonDundefined
                                        DjDemonD
                                        last edited by

                                        Cool, I printed it and assembled it yesterday, you're right please ignore my addition above, it doesn't give quite enough room for the magnet shaft to sit above the sensor chip.

                                        It's much easier to get to the breach and change filament etc.. than with my version.

                                        I ran calibration but was getting rather vague results as the unit visibly moves up and down when retracting/un-retracting as its only held by the clip onto the drive cable. I might add a second clip to prevent this unit from rotating like this.

                                        Also how best to attach the Bowden tube at the Nimble end? Is there a mod for a Bowden tube to fit to the nimble? So far I've just been pinching the lower end of the tube behind the breach,

                                        Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                        www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                        PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                                        • Zesty_Lykleundefined
                                          Zesty_Lykle
                                          last edited by

                                          Yeah, there is no real solution for the bowden tube to the Nimble, yet.
                                          This was more the general design for use in any situation.
                                          For the Nimble I have a different design, that needs to be SLS printed, but clicks in properly.
                                          How the PTFE tube sits between the two units, I dunno yet. Still working on that, as it was a new requirement for me. I should have realised of course, but hey.

                                          Lykle
                                          Design, make and enjoy life

                                          Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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                                          • Dougal1957undefined
                                            Dougal1957
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                                            Lykle

                                            Don't know if this might be a better way of mounting or not Can't draw it but in words rather than clip to the drive tube could it have a pocket that would sit over the tube clamp on the nimble and then secure using the single screw that also holds down the tube clamp maybe with a slotted part so that the screw can just be loosened to allow the mount to pivot out of the way?

                                            Just a thought

                                            Doug

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