Help, whine and 4000v measured on 3pin fan when idle

gnydick

@dc42 I was hoping to reserve the 4 wire for the print cooling fan, although 8 haven't been able to find a 5015 24v blower that is 4 wire.

Is this fan not usable? It's seems to work great, speed control is very good.

Is there something wrong with this or is there a better way to configure/connect this fan?

3DPMicro

4kv probably would have jumped a noticable spark to your meter lead and dc42 would have been awarded inventor of the first ever flux capacitor. Think jigawatts
https://youtu.be/VcZe8_RZO8c

gnydick

gnydick

dc42

@gnydick if it's working well, don't worry about it.

It appears that something is confusing your multimeter. What does the H symbol on the multimeter mean?

mendenmh

@gnydick yeek! There is something funny with your meter.

I agree, it shows an mV label when on that range, but I have no idea what it is doing. Have you tried putting it on an appropriate manual range and seeing if it still does this?

I do have one idea. Is the "H" at the top 'Hold" mode. I have seen meters sometimes in hold that hold the number, but not the range info. Could it have captured that number in the mV range, and then switched to a volts range while still holding the display?

gnydick

@dc42 yes, H is for hold. Why is it receiving current when it's off?

dc42

@gnydick if the fan is turned complete off, it should only be receiving a few microamps of leakage current.

gnydick

@dc42 i guess that's enough to make it whine?

mendenmh

It would be interesting to put a small load (10k resistor, e.g.) across the fan, and re-measure that voltage. Maybe the board has a leaky FET.

Also, it is possible that the fan draws very little current at low voltage. That may be low enough that nothing is biased on until the voltage is much higher. In that case, you may just be charging some tiny input capacitance, and a small current might create a significant voltage. The load resistor would tell more about this.

gnydick

@dc42 just nudging here. Is there anything I can do to stop this? With 4 tools, it's a cacophony of whining

They're on toolboards.

dc42

@gnydick when exactly do they whine? Is it when they are turned on at a PWM that is too low to make them turn?

gnydick

@dc42 when they aren't powered at all.

T3P3Tony

@gnydick do they whine with the tacho output not connected?

dc42

@gnydick said in Help, whine and 4000v measured on 3pin fan when idle:

@dc42 when they aren't powered at all.

Try disconnecting the tacho wire as @T3P3Tony suggests. If that resolves the issue, then connecting a small signal diode in series with the tacho wire should fix it. Note, when using a 3-wire fan the tacho will only read correctly when the fan is run at full PWM.

gnydick

@dc42 Is that a given with 3 wire fans or a duet quirk?

dc42

@gnydick it's a given with 3 wire fans that if you PWM them (which they are not designed for, same as with most 2-wire fans), and the PWM is applied by interrupting the negative supply (which is how all 3D printer boards that I know of do it) then the tacho will not read accurately. This doesn't matter if the fan is used only at zero and full speed, which is typical for a hot end heatsink fan.

If you want variable speed and a tacho readout, use a 4-wire fan.

gnydick

@dc42, ok, just curious. These are always running at full speed, so it's all good for a 3 wire. They're the cold section fans.