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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators @Nightowl
      last edited by

      @Nightowl see the section on configuring spindles at https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Reference/Gcodes#m950-create-heater-fan-spindle-or-gpioservo-pin for an explanation of the suggestion by @jay_s_uk.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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      • Nightowlundefined
        Nightowl @jay_s_uk
        last edited by Nightowl

        I see! Thank you, @jay_s_uk
        Of course, that makes sense. It's the same idea as for the Makita (apart from the pins) so if I used this, to configure the motor:

        ; Spindle configuration
        M950 R0 C"vfd+out7" L0:25000 Q1000	; create spindle with index 0
        M563 P0 S"Sorotec" R0			; create tool 0 with spindle 0 and name it "Sorotec"
        T0					; select tool 0
        

        ...that would get me to where I want to be, whilst keeping the relay on the existing pins.

        That's brilliant, thank you so much!

        Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
        I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

        RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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        • Nightowlundefined
          Nightowl @dc42
          last edited by

          Thanks, @dc42, I'll check it out 👍

          Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
          I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

          RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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          • Nightowlundefined
            Nightowl
            last edited by

            Just out of curiosity, how do I find out what the Q setting should be?

            Is this information relative to the PWM controller, which is advertised as being 1kHz to 3kHz?

            Thanks

            Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
            I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

            RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @Nightowl
              last edited by

              @Nightowl its more relative to VFD

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators @Nightowl
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                @Nightowl said in Milling motor control - Duet3/PWM Converter:

                Just out of curiosity, how do I find out what the Q setting should be?
                Is this information relative to the PWM controller, which is advertised as being 1kHz to 3kHz?

                Yes, use between 1000 and 3000.

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                • Nightowlundefined
                  Nightowl
                  last edited by

                  Some progress!

                  Using the code below, I can now start/stop the motor with M3 Sn and M5 respectively, but I can't change the speed: it is constant at 4,000RPM, which suggests to me that the voltage required to change the speed isn't there. Possibly a fault with the PWM converter?

                  Here's the code:

                  ; Milling motor and relay configuration
                  M950 R0 C"vfd+out7" L0:25000 Q1000	; enable router relay on out7
                  M563 P0 S"Sorotec" R0 			; assign spindle 0 to tool 0 and name it Sorotec
                  T0					; select tool 0
                  M5					; ensure motor is turned off
                  

                  Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                  I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                  RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                  • jay_s_ukundefined
                    jay_s_uk @Nightowl
                    last edited by

                    @Nightowl have you adjusted the variable resistor on the top? have you set the VFD up for PWM control? I had to change some of the registers on my VFD to use PWM rather than RS485

                    Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                    • Nightowlundefined
                      Nightowl @jay_s_uk
                      last edited by

                      @jay_s_uk

                      If you mean this one (arrowed), no I haven't:

                      Screenshot 2022-12-02 at 10.22.48.png

                      I'm not using a VFD, though. Just following the instructions from the Ooznest website, the M950 guide and this document.

                      I've just noticed point 2 indicates the "5V/24V PWM input signal level option" should be set to 5V, so I'll need to check that...

                      Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                      I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                      RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                      • Nightowlundefined
                        Nightowl
                        last edited by Nightowl

                        One thing I've checked - very carefully, is the voltage across the 12V and GND connectors, adjacent to the 5V PWM connectors, on the Duet control board, and they're only providing 6V.

                        Also, the voltage across terminals GND and AO on the PWM board doesn't change when I adjust the motor speed (without the cable connected to the motor, so there's no load) from M3 S1000 to M3 S25000

                        That can't be right, surely?

                        Also, the jumper on the PWM board is set to 5V.

                        Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                        I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                        RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                        • jay_s_ukundefined
                          jay_s_uk @Nightowl
                          last edited by

                          @Nightowl can you just confirm where the PWM is wired to on the duet board?

                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                          • Nightowlundefined
                            Nightowl @jay_s_uk
                            last edited by Nightowl

                            @jay_s_uk

                            Certainly. The pins on the PWM board are connected to the Out9 VFD\Laser\Servo Drive header:

                            Port 1 (PWM in -ve) to 5V_Ext
                            Port 2 (PWM in +ve) to Out9
                            Port 3 (Power Supply 12-30V) to 12V
                            Port 4 (Power Supply GND) to GND
                            Port 5 (Voltage Out GND) to GND
                            Port 6 (Voltage Out +ve AO) to the motor plug

                            There is a loop between Ports 4 and 5, and this is also connected to the GND wire on the motor plug.

                            The third wire from the motor plug is connected to the PSU 24V +ve of the PSU.

                            Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                            I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                            RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                            • jay_s_ukundefined
                              jay_s_uk @Nightowl
                              last edited by

                              @Nightowl thats where you'll be going wrong then as the header you're using is always on (i think). change numbers 3 and 4. it'll also probably explain why its always on at power up without that relay. i would just wire them to an out connector and switch your M950 accordingly.

                              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                              • Nightowlundefined
                                Nightowl @jay_s_uk
                                last edited by

                                @jay_s_uk
                                Forgive me, but aren't they 'just' the power supply to the converter? The switch operating the relay (to stop it the motor spinning) is on out7.

                                Also @dc42 posted earlier (I missed it, sorry) that I should connect PWM in -ve to GND (not 5V-Ext)

                                Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                                I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                                RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                                • jay_s_ukundefined
                                  jay_s_uk @Nightowl
                                  last edited by

                                  @Nightowl ah bugger, you're right. i looked at the diagram wrong

                                  Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                  • Nightowlundefined
                                    Nightowl
                                    last edited by Nightowl

                                    All sorted, thank you gentlemen!

                                    It was in fact down to way the PWM converter was connected to the Duet board.

                                    I'll amend my diagram and publish it here (and delete the earlier one!

                                    Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                                    I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                                    RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                                    • Nightowlundefined
                                      Nightowl
                                      last edited by Nightowl

                                      Here's the updated connection diagram:

                                      Screenshot 2022-12-02 at 18.30.44.png

                                      ...and this is the code from the config.g file:

                                      ; Milling motor and relay configuration
                                      M950 R0 C"vfd+out7" L4000:25000 Q1000	; enable router relay on out7
                                      M563 P0 S"St George" R0 		; assign spindle 0 to tool 0 and name it St George
                                      T0					; select tool 0
                                      M5					; ensure motor is turned off
                                      

                                      Note: I have used this relay to provide mains power to the milling motor, which is activated from Out7 in this case. I guess any Out could be used, but the code would need to be changed accordingly.

                                      Many thanks to @dc42 and @jay_s_uk for helping me resolve this, and I hope this diagram will be of use to others.

                                      Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                                      I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                                      RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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