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    JoA-RHU
    last edited by 12 Mar 2025, 16:07

    Hi there,

    I'm in the same situation...
    @Aurimas did you find a solution?

    Thanks

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      droftarts administrators @Aurimas
      last edited by 13 Mar 2025, 17:15

      @Aurimas @JoA-RHU

      I've been testing this today, and have the same issue with a Mini 5+ and 1LC, on RRF 3.6.0-rc.1+2. I've highlighted this to @dc42. This is my macro, which works when connected to Mini 5+, but doesn't (with same settings) when connected to 1LC:

      ; extruder filament stall test
      ; setup
      ; extruder on Mini 5+
      ;M569 P0.3 S1 D3 V0 ; set driver to stealthChop, required for stall homing on TMC2209
      ;M584 E0.3 ; set extruder mapping
      ; extruder on 1LC
      M569 P121.0 S0 D3 V0 ; set driver to stealthChop, required for stall homing on TMC2209
      M584 E121.0 ; set extruder mapping
      ; extruder config
      M906 E1000 ; set extruder driver currents
      M350 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
      M92 E397 ; configure steps per mm
      M566 E300 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
      M203 E3600 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
      M201 E600 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
      ; filament stall homing
      M302 P1 ; allow cold extrude
      T0 ; select tool
      M915 E0 H50 S3 ; set stall sensitivity
      M913 E30 ; motor current to 30%
      M83 ; relative extrusion
      G1 H1 E100 F1200 ; feed up to 100mm until stall
      M913 E100 ; restore normal motor current
      M302 P0 ; deny cold extrude

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        JoA-RHU
        last edited by JoA-RHU 14 Mar 2025, 13:04

        @droftarts @dc42

        As I’ve been thoroughly reading the Trinamic documentation to better understand their technology (StealthChop, SpreadCycle, CoolStep, StallGuard, etc.), I also examined the expansion board firmware and believe I’ve identified the issue.

        In the TMC22xx.cpp file, an interrupt is defined for the "diag" pin, but it seems it is disabled by default.

        #if HAS_STALL_DETECT
        diagPin = p_diagPin;
        IoPort::SetPinMode(p_diagPin, INPUT_PULLUP, false);
        AttachPinInterrupt(p_diagPin, DiagPinInterruptEntry, InterruptMode::rising, CallbackParameter(p_driverNumber), false);
        // Leave the interrupt disabled until we enable a stall endstop on this driver
        #endif

        Later, in the SmartDrivers::SetStallEndstopReporting function, it looks like we're missing a call to TmcDriverState::EnableDiagInterrupt, which prevents the interrupt from ever being enabled.

        GCodeResult SmartDrivers::SetStallEndstopReporting(uint16_t driverNumber, float speed, const StringRef& reply) noexcept
        {
        if (driverNumber < GetNumTmcDrivers())
        {
        const char *_ecv_array _ecv_null const msg = driverStates[driverNumber].CheckStallDetectionEnabled(speed);
        if (msg == nullptr)
        {
        stallEndstopsEnabled.SetBit(driverNumber);
        return GCodeResult::ok;
        }
        reply.printf(msg, CanInterface::GetCanAddress(), driverNumber);
        return GCodeResult::error;
        }
        else
        {
        stallEndstopsEnabled.Clear();
        for (TmcDriverState& ds : driverStates)
        {
        ds.DisableDiagInterrupt();
        }
        driverStallsToNotify = 0;
        return GCodeResult::ok;
        }
        }

        I'll have a try on Monday and keep you posted.

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          droftarts administrators @JoA-RHU
          last edited by 14 Mar 2025, 14:11

          @JoA-RHU Thanks, we're looking at this today. I've highlighted your suggestions to @dc42.

          Ian

          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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            JoA-RHU
            last edited by 14 Mar 2025, 14:40

            @droftarts @dc42 By the way, there's another issue related to smart drivers on expansion boards. The parameter C of M569 is not handled (yet?).

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              dc42 administrators @JoA-RHU
              last edited by 14 Mar 2025, 14:42

              @JoA-RHU thanks for your contribution. I already added that missing call this morning, however it's not sufficient to make stall detection reliable. We're still working on it.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                dc42 administrators @JoA-RHU
                last edited by 14 Mar 2025, 17:05

                @JoA-RHU please try the firmware binary at https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/y03luwmbypirbxncla3rk/AAJFLPFsVdFylemyhkXsAac?rlkey=7cq4svp4rzl2ztdffpzq2ghjk&dl=0.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                  JoA-RHU @dc42
                  last edited by JoA-RHU 17 Mar 2025, 16:01

                  @dc42 Thanks for the the binary. I tested it today, but couldn't setup a proper stall detection.
                  Either a stall is detected immediately on the start of the first G1 H1 motion (and then never again).
                  Or it is not detected at all.

                  Maybe it's worth mentioning that I'm using the 1LC to control a small auxiliary axis. Nema 11 stepper motor with 670mA nominal current, ball screw linear axis with 1mm pitch, max. speed ~15mm/s (900rpm).

                  Is there a way to report the value of SG_RESULT register while moving the axis?

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                    dc42 administrators @JoA-RHU
                    last edited by 18 Mar 2025, 09:44

                    @JoA-RHU said in Sensorless homing not working on 1LC:

                    Either a stall is detected immediately on the start of the first G1 H1 motion

                    Have you tried reducing the M201.1 acceleration for special moves on that axis or extruder? The acceleration at the start of the move may be triggering the stall detection.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                      JoA-RHU @dc42
                      last edited by 20 Mar 2025, 11:41

                      @dc42 I tried reducing the "special moves" acceleration with M201.1.

                      I finally managed to set up sensorless homing, but it's still not very stable. I believe the issue is more related to the configuration than the threshold value.

                      Occasionally, a stall is detected at the start of the first homing motion but never again. Restarting the mainboard sometimes resolves the issue, but it tends to reappear after 2-3 reboots.

                      I ended up with with this homing file (axis is C) :

                      M400
                      M574 C1 S3 ; setup sensorless endstop
                      M915 C R0 S40 ; set sensitivity
                      M569 P22.0 V11 ; increase TPWMTHRS
                      M913 C30 ; reduce current to 30%
                      M400
                      G4 P500 ; wait 500ms - don't know if usefull
                      G91
                      G1 H1 C-75 F120
                      G1 C0.5 F600
                      G90
                      M400
                      M569 P22.0 V117 ; restore TPWMTHRS
                      M574 C0 ; remove endstop
                      M913 C100 ; reset current to 100%
                      M400

                      As you can see I'm creating and deleting the endstop every time. I don't know why, but it's the most stable configuration I could find.

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                        droftarts administrators @JoA-RHU
                        last edited by 20 Mar 2025, 11:57

                        @JoA-RHU @dc42

                        I also tested this, and found the same problem. While I could get sensorless homing to work on the 1LC, it needed quite different setting than with the same motor connected to the Mini 5+. Like you, it wasn't very stable or repeatable.

                        Ian

                        Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                          dc42 administrators @JoA-RHU
                          last edited by 24 Mar 2025, 15:21

                          @JoA-RHU In general, when using stall homing you need to account for the possibility that the motor may be reporting a stall already. Do this by commanding a short G1 H2 move before the G1 H1 move. It can either be in the opposite direction to the G1 H1 move (which is usually the best choice when homing an axis) or in the same direction (which may be better when loading filament).

                          There are additional considerations when more than one axis/extruder is mapped to the same drive. See https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/issues/1098.

                          dc42 created this issue 24 Mar 2025, 14:56 in Duet3D/RepRapFirmware

                          open Stall detection issues when a drive is used by both an axis and an extruder #1098

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