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    T3P3Tony administrators @dc42
    last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 11:19

    @dc42 said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

    @t3p3tony said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

    @DC42 It would be great to have the ability to set the 100% amount in much the same manner as the mm/revolution of the magnet can be set in that version.

    I think it would be confusing to change the 100% amount. Also, if the sensor under-reads the average amount for a particular filament, you are also likely to get much bigger variation for that filament. For example, the post by @Qdeathstar gives 93% to 99% for one filament, and 45% to 89% for another. So simply adjusting the 100% amount wouldn't be sufficient.

    Instead I think you should use the new M703 command in conjunction with the filament management facility to set up appropriate R limits in the M591 command for the filament in use.

    Hi David, sure can set the limits to whatever, I was just thinking that it would be nice to "zero" the filament on the average for that type. Actually I might have zeroed it on the low reading as I don't care if it reads an "over extrusion" since the failure modes we are generally interested in lead to under, not over extrusion.

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      wilriker
      last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 12:09

      😠 Something seems to not want me to use this sensor. Second attempt to print the housing failed also. This time my fan shroud was somehow coming loose (never ever had this before) and knocked the print of the bed. 🤦

      Manuel
      Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
      with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
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        Qdeathstar
        last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 12:12

        Ok, last ABS test

        Matterhackers Light - Blue ABS filament - Benchy Test

        Calculated Steps/mm 424

        M591 D0
        Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 120%, check every 3.0mm, current position -2.4, brightness 92, shutter 11, measured minimum 0%, average 93%, maximum 102% over 3975.4mm

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          wilriker @Qdeathstar
          last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 12:12

          @qdeathstar You seem to like ABS. 😉

          Manuel
          Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
          with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
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            T3P3Tony administrators @Qdeathstar
            last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 12:52

            @qdeathstar said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

            Ok, last ABS test

            Matterhackers Light - Blue ABS filament - Benchy Test

            Calculated Steps/mm 424

            M591 D0
            Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 120%, check every 3.0mm, current position -2.4, brightness 92, shutter 11, measured minimum 0%, average 93%, maximum 102% over 3975.4mm

            minimum 0?

            do you mind checking that again?

            www.duet3d.com

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              Qdeathstar
              last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 12:55

              Yes, i can rerun that test later today. I think that might have been a real slippage, as this blue filament feels pretty slippery. I also noticed while i was loading it it didn't move the first time i pressed "extrude" but i chalked it up to me accidentally pressing the "retract" button instead. Its about 2 years old....

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                kraegar
                last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 14:18

                I like spreadsheets, so I created one for tracking my results. Any other data needed?

                https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a5suKtijUsatl3DhUFiox_rfW39qo9kHSlihYHaAcxo/edit?usp=sharing

                Co-Creator of the RailcoreII CoreXY printer
                https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2407174

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                  tinkerz @kraegar
                  last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 16:01

                  @kraegar Thank you! Not sure why I didn't think of putting it up on Google docs, here I have all my results in good 'ol Notepad++. Thank you again. This makes it easy to keep updated without worrying about saving, losing or sharing.

                  Tinkerz

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                    kraegar @tinkerz
                    last edited by 16 Aug 2018, 17:23

                    @tinkerz No problem - I have a ridiculous number of data tracking spreadsheets for 3d printing. I can't do anything without tracking it, lol.

                    Co-Creator of the RailcoreII CoreXY printer
                    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2407174

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                      Qdeathstar @T3P3Tony
                      last edited by 17 Aug 2018, 03:19

                      @t3p3tony said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

                      @qdeathstar said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

                      Ok, last ABS test

                      Matterhackers Light - Blue ABS filament - Benchy Test

                      Calculated Steps/mm 424

                      M591 D0
                      Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 120%, check every 3.0mm, current position -2.4, brightness 92, shutter 11, measured minimum 0%, average 93%, maximum 102% over 3975.4mm

                      minimum 0?

                      do you mind checking that again?

                      M591 D0
                      Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 120%, check every 3.0mm, current position -3.0, brightness 91, shutter 11, measured minimum 88%, average 95%, maximum 102% over 3973.3mm

                      Better result this time.

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                        wilriker
                        last edited by 17 Aug 2018, 13:10

                        Finally managed to print the sensor housing. It seems that the lazy-me (why should I disassemble my X axis before lubricating it?) got some PTFE on my build plate - perfect for first-layer adhesion. 🤦 Luckily nothing that gluestick won't overcome. 😂

                        So, assembly and mounting of the sensor probably tonight. 🙂

                        Manuel
                        Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                        with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                        My Tool Collection

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                          wilriker
                          last edited by wilriker 17 Aug 2018, 19:25

                          Finally, the first result I can contribute:

                          Generic Black PLA (the same that is used for the housing):
                          Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 120%, check every 3.0mm, current position -7.9, brightness 60, shutter 17, measured minimum 80%, average 87%, maximum 93% over 320.6mm

                          Housing: @dc42 original, Open Top, 9mm base
                          PTFE Tubing: Generic 4mm OD 2mm ID (I will probably switch to the included Capricorn when I first switch housing parts.

                          I am so happy to be part of the test group. As I don't have too many filaments I will probably mainly be concentrating on housing performance.


                          Also, this gave me a chance to solve a very annoying issue I introduced myself when I added my reverse bowden. It literally took me 15-20 minutes(!) to change filament because the extruder-near end of it was totally in the way and I ended up disassembling the extruder every other time.
                          The sensor housing now also is my reverse bowden endpoint and is mounted via nuts and screws so I can easily remove it when loading filaments. 🕺

                          EDIT: Also no started a Google Spreadsheet.

                          Manuel
                          Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                          with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                          My Tool Collection

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                            fma
                            last edited by fma 18 Aug 2018, 06:29

                            Ok, here is my first result. I use David's enclosure, printed in black PLA.

                            I printed a part with Dailyfil cream white: https://www.filimprimante3d.fr/filament-pla-175-mm/1470-bobine-pla-dailyfil-blanc-creme-175-mm-1kg.html

                            Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 140%, check every 3.0mm, current position -10.2, brightness 94, shutter 8, measured minimum 53%, average 93%, maximum 107% over 5764.6mm

                            Frédéric

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                              fma
                              last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 09:37

                              Second test with SOVB3D purple PLA: http://www.sovb3d.fr/pla-175mm-standard-500g/90-fil-pla-violet-175mm-500g.html

                              Duet3D laser filament monitor on endstop input 3, disabled, allowed movement 40% to 140%, check every 3.0mm, current position 2.7, brightness 93, shutter 11, measured minimum 56%, average 84%, maximum 99% over 3425.2mm

                              Frédéric

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                                dc42 administrators
                                last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 09:59

                                FWIW the shutter reading is an indication of how much of the laser light is returning back to the sensor, which should be mostly determined by how reflective the filament is. High shutter reading = low refectivity.

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                  wilriker @dc42
                                  last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 13:59

                                  @dc42 I wanted to ask about shutter anyway. What is the range of values and what qualifies as high/low value?
                                  And when we are at that, can you also say something about the brightness value?

                                  Manuel
                                  Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                  with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                  My Tool Collection

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                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 14:18

                                    The brightness is the average brightness of IR light received on the sensor. It doesn't usually vary as much as the shutter does, because the sensor appears to adjusts the shutter to try to keep the brightness constant.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      kraegar
                                      last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 16:19

                                      So to be clear, the ideal situation would be a totally enclosed housing that doesn't reflect any IR back?

                                      Co-Creator of the RailcoreII CoreXY printer
                                      https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2407174

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                                        dc42 administrators @kraegar
                                        last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 16:24

                                        @kraegar said in Laser Filament Monitor - test results:

                                        So to be clear, the ideal situation would be a totally enclosed housing that doesn't reflect any IR back?

                                        Yes, I think so.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                          kraegar
                                          last edited by 18 Aug 2018, 19:39

                                          What wavelength is the IR?

                                          Co-Creator of the RailcoreII CoreXY printer
                                          https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2407174

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