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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by

      Check that the open drain output can sink enough current. From memory, I think you need about 2.5mA for the Duet WiFi.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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      • Toddimusundefined
        Toddimus
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        From the datasheet: …"Each device includes on a single silicon chip a voltage regulator, Hall-voltage generator, small-signal amplifier, chopper stabilization, Schmitt trigger, and a short-circuit protected open-drain output to sink up to 25 mA...."

        So sounds like I am good. Unless you are an order of magnitude off in your memory of the datasheet. 😛

        Thanks David! Really appreciate your inputs on this and your work in general on the project!

        I paid the invoice a couple of days ago. Haven't seen anything from Filastruder on shipment yet. Somewhere I think I saw something from T3P3 that the boards would go out to Filastruder today (presumably leaving England for the US). I won't have time in the next 10 days or so to play with it anyways, so it isn't a huge rush for me.

        Cheers!

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        • dc42undefined
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          A1121/A1122 sounds good then. The reason I asked about the sink current is that many of the newer 3.3V Hall sensors are micropower devices only capable of sinking 1 or 2 mA. We reduced the sink current requirement on the Duet WiFi compared to the Duet 0.8.5, at the cost of making the endstop LEDs less bright.

          I've just measured the endstop input sink current requirement. It's 1.5mA for the Duet WiFi pre-productIon boards, and 2.1mA for the Duet 0.8.5.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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          • DuetUserundefined
            DuetUser
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            Are there any real life practical adventages of using hall endstops in delta printer?
            I have some endstops from RRD, they are easy to connect, but I'm not sure if they are really worth it.
            Is there any difference in calibration precision and repeatability that could justify spending extra buck?

            peter

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            • dc42undefined
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              I use ordinary microswitches on my delta (the ones T3P3 supplied with a Mini Kossel kit a couple of years ago), and they are reproducible to 1 microstep. So my view is that with good microswitches, you don't need anything better. In any case, if you have a good Z probe then auto delta calibration will calibrate out endstop error. I even tried running my delta without endstop switches once to prove this.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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              • Bobblejotundefined
                Bobblejot
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                Have you seen these Hall Endstops http://www.reprap.me/hall-e-endstop.html ?

                I use them on 2 machines and they work perfectly.

                Forgot you can actually just about make them out in the pictures of my latest delta on this forum https://www.duet3d.com/forum/thread.php?id=357

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                • mjhall29undefined
                  mjhall29
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                  I use these http://ooznest.co.uk/Hall-Effect-Endstop-3.3V.

                  Regards Martin

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                  • Bobblejotundefined
                    Bobblejot
                    last edited by

                    @ mjhall29 they are the same as the reprap.me ones just more expensive. They are available on aliexpress as well for alot less.

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                    • Huguesundefined
                      Hugues
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                      You can also use reed sensor like this one :
                      http://www.mouser.fr/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=59025-030virtualkey58530000virtualkey934-59025-030

                      I use one those one 2 printer

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                      • DuetUserundefined
                        DuetUser
                        last edited by

                        Thanks for the info and links. I was just curious if there is a real advantage in homing precision because I've read about hall being more precise because of no mechanical parts. Definitely one microstep is enough precision, of course if it's a 0.9 deg microstep 😉

                        peter

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                        • T3P3Tonyundefined
                          T3P3Tony administrators
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                          I have found mechanical switched to be repeatable enough for Homing delta axis. I tested the trigger point vs distance over 10 iterations with no difference. I was moving the axis quite slowly because all.my homing files move the axis quickly until the switch is triggered, then back off a bit and fine home slowly (F300).

                          www.duet3d.com

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                          • Bobblejotundefined
                            Bobblejot
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                            For me its not really the precision that matters as much as the reliability, being non-contact there is nothing to wear out so reliability increases.

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                            • dc42undefined
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                              @Bobblejot:

                              For me its not really the precision that matters as much as the reliability, being non-contact there is nothing to wear out so reliability increases.

                              Bear in mind that those sensors with a pot are analog devices, therefore probably sensitive to supply voltage and temperature. Also if the magnets lose their strength, the calibration will change. Finally, depending on how close the magnet goes to the sensor and how you have adjusted the pot, it's possible that the Earth's magnetic field may affect them slightly, which would matter if you turn your printer round. So don't assume that they are automatically more repeatable and reliable than microswitches.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                              • Bobblejotundefined
                                Bobblejot
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                                Thanks dc, pots are adjusted to min sensitivity setting. I use a larger magnet than the tiny ones supplied. All cables i use are lapp LiCy. Cant do much about the planet i am on but they seem to be ok 🙂

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                                • Sirisianundefined
                                  Sirisian
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                                  @dc42:

                                  There are plenty of 3.3V-compatible Hall effect sensors - I have a strip of them on my shelf - but the A3144 isn't one of them.

                                  I'm using a Duet Wifi I got a few months ago and am looking for hall effect end stops. Was looking for 3.3V and noticed a lot of them are 5V. I'm reading this: https://duet3d.com/wiki/Connecting_endstop_switches and it says "The endstop switches each need to be able to sink 1.5mA current for the Duet WiFi" and I don't want to buy the wrong ones.

                                  Is there a recommended quality hall effect sensor that people use? I'm looking for specific ones that are 3-pin and are known to work with the board without issues. Any recommendations would be helpful.

                                  edit: Would these work: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AH1815-P-B/AH1815-P-BDI-ND/5453089

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