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    • piperswundefined
      pipersw @infiniteloop
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      @infiniteloop I have shorten the bowden, and I have some test in two day.
      IMG_20190916_141423.jpg

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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti
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        where can the air that the middle fan is blowing in escape to? to me it looks like the fans on the side may be blocking the air from escaping

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        • piperswundefined
          pipersw @Veti
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          @Veti said in Loud sound while extruder is retracting:

          where can the air that the middle fan is blowing in escape to? to me it looks like the fans on the side may be blocking the air from escaping

          There is a cooling path at the back (Hypercube Evo NGEN on Thingiverse)
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          • infiniteloopundefined
            infiniteloop @pipersw
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            @pipersw said in Loud sound while extruder is retracting:

            I have shorten the bowden, and I have some test in two day.

            @pipersw With such a short bowden tube, a retraction of 1-2 mm should be sufficient. I see that you use a silicon sock, this will prevent the tip of the nozzle from cooling down too much. However, when testing, it’s always a good idea to keep the number of variables low, so run your part cooling fans at low speed or turn them off.

            Looking again at your filament fragment from the hot end, the question is what factor produces the bulge in the middle of it. Clearly, the bowden tube must be neatly fixed so that the visible gap will not emerge any more. Then, two theories remain: either, the hot end temperature is too low, building up pressure from below - or, heat is creeping up towards the cold side of your hot end.

            This is what @Veti is looking at. Longe retractions contribute to that effect as well as a hot end driven too high (thus melting too much of the PLA) or a heated chamber (which reduces the effect of your tool cooling fan). Oh, and did you apply heat-conductive paste to the heat brake prior to inserting it into the heat sink?

            The other case, under-heating, is less likely, you can rule this out with a print at about 220 deg. or so. Anyway, I’m curious about the results from your test runs. Bonne chance!

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            • piperswundefined
              pipersw
              last edited by pipersw

              I have found issues. The PTFE tube not fully pushed inside the extruder and the hotend.
              IMG_20190919_085941.jpg
              Filament crossing in the spool too.
              Seems to work now, with 3mm retractation and 60mm/s retractation speed.

              600 for X and Y jerk (M566) are not too high for a core xy ?
              The printer is noisy during movement changes.

              I have the following settingd :

              M566 X500 Y500 Z60 E360
              M203 X15000 Y15000 Z1000 E3000
              M201 X1000 Y1000 Z400 E2000
              M906 X1400 Y1400 Z1400 E1200 I30

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              • zaptaundefined
                zapta
                last edited by zapta

                I have similar configuration to yours (bowden, 24V, 0.9deg, 3:1 gear) and had similar problems of noise. Initially I placed the stepper on suspension which stops the noise but then realized that my max extruder speed was set too high it can handle at most E1500 to E2000.

                You can read more about it here

                https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/12049/building-a-diy-public-domain-low-cost-stepper-motor-analyzer/2

                Edit: this is the suspended extruder. It prevents the any extruder noise to be amplified by the aluminum frame. The three rubber parts are standard RC parts.

                IMG-1675.JPG

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