Seeking an advise on what Z sensor to go with
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I have a genuine bl touch, and just found it unreliable and results to be flakey at best, to the point that I removed it and consigned it to a storage drawer. For me it a IR sensor all the way
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Ups, I should have bought BLTouch from you
@CaLviNx
What kind of inaccuracy you are talking about? 1mm - 0.1mm ? More or less? -
@monster I can get my IR sensors down to a resolution of 0.05mm day in day out something I could not get with a bl touch, the variance was visualising itself in my layer heights and downright pissed me off.
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I found that the BLTouch was very sensitive to probing speed. If you run it too fast then the measurements will fluctuate. I also found that multi probing (measure the same point until two successive readings are within tolerance) is pretty much required to get a good result.
Both of these issues require extra time when doing a bed analysis and that can really add up but I scan the bed rarely so that the extra time required is not a hassle at all. If you are used to doing a bed scan before every print as some people seem to do (no idea why), the extra time will quickly drive you insane.
I also only locate z zero once in a blue moon as my steppers are powered up all the time so no position drift occurs.Edit: I probe until two successive readings are within 0.005 mm so a factor of 10 better than the IR sensor.
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M558 P9 H3 F60 T6000 A10 R0.75 S0.003 B1With this BLTouch config I'm able to get 0.003 though it may have to probe 2 to 4 times. Perfect first layer every time.
The BLtouch also must be mounted correctly, as in:
As close to the nozzle as possible.
Bottom of probe body ~8mm above the nozzle tip
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If your bed top material is compatible with the Duet IR sensor you may want to check it out since it has no mechanical parts. https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/IR_Probe
On my printer I use a PEI sheet so went to with the bltouch and it works very well. I use it for both z homing and mesh compensation, without any z stop switch.
Don't know if it was already mentioned here but I make sure to reset the bltouch from previous errors before homing. This takes care for example of the error state if the head was too close to the bed when you turn the printer on.
M280 P3 S160 I1BTW, your design looks very unique, e.g. the overall round shape of parts.
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I practically don't know how bed is going to look like. At the moment it is:
- Polycarbonate sheet (PLA sticks to it well and it bendable - easier to get part out)
- Below it some fire resistant "thing" from construction/building domain I assume.
- "Thing" sits on 3 leveling bolts which held by acrylic arm.
I'd like to get heated bed eventually as I would need to print ABS.
- So for now I see a glass or some designed specially for 3d printing surface or again polycarbonate - need to test if it holds bed temperature.
- Which will sit on top of I guess an aluminum which will be adjusted by same leveling bolts. But bolts will be not anymore sitting on the acrylic arm (arm is too shaky) - they will be on brackets. One bracket already there. Another bracket I'll make and it will be moved by second Z ball screw&stepper.
- Under aluminum there will be a heated silicon mat I guess.
-- I guess heated PCB would be lot better but I'd need 35cm x 35cm (about) size which isn't standard for anything neither for silicon mats. Not sure if I wanna dive in making one myself with nichrome string...
So I'm not sure that future surface will be like.
Will it be compatible with inductive proximity sensor or IR. But mechanical sensor should do in any case. -
@monster said in Seeking an advise on what Z sensor to go with:
size which isn't standard for anything neither for silicon mats
You can order custom size/shape/voltage/power/holes silicon mat from vendors such as Keenovo. I ordered a custom 12" x 12" one and it cost about $80 IIRC.
You may consider also magnetic sheets, they make it easier to remove large prints.
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@jens55 said in Seeking an advise on what Z sensor to go with:
I found that the BLTouch was very sensitive to probing speed. If you run it too fast then the measurements will fluctuate. I also found that multi probing (measure the same point until two successive readings are within tolerance) is pretty much required to get a good result.
BLTouch is sensitive to magnetic fields. The impression I have is that mostly this isn't a problem, but some bed heaters generate enough magnetic field to affect it. That's why we provide the B1 parameter in the M558 command, to make RRF turn off the bed heater temporarily during the bed probing move. Might that have been the reason for your inconsistent results, or were you already using the B1 option?
