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    • DocTruckerundefined
      DocTrucker
      last edited by DocTrucker

      There's been warnings from Octoprint about running Raspberry Pi's with lower rated supplies than the official supplies. I've got everything ready to go now, and was planning on using an external feed for the Pi and screen as the ratings from the duet seem to cut it very fine. My choice, and I know others get away with it.

      I wonder it this has anything todo with the short raspberry pi lifespans one of our fellow users ( @spllg ) is seeing?

      Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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      • DocTruckerundefined
        DocTrucker @DocTrucker
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        Scrub my last question, that specific user has external power to the PI I think.

        Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
          T3P3Tony administrators @Danal
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          @Danal said in Undervolts on Pi:

          I don't have a D3 schematic

          https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mainboard-6HC/blob/master/Duet3_Mainboard_v1.0/Duet3_MB_schematic_v1.0.pdf

          2x 5V pins
          5x GND pins

          www.duet3d.com

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          • arhiundefined
            arhi @chas2706
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            @chas2706 said in Undervolts on Pi:

            If the cable is not beefy enough to supply the amps that is being pulled then you would soon know about it because it would start a fire!

            Not sure how a .2-.6W will cause a fire, the cable will (and usually does) get slightly worm and that's about it. Again, I'm talking about USB cable, not the flat cable on the duet. Replacing cable with a proper one in all cases solved the problem. Looks like here the 2 diodes dc mentioned are the issue. I doubt there's any issue in the flat cable (have not seen those made out of crap, like USB cables I was talking about) but any drop after 5V reg. like a diode can be enough to trigger the voltage warning on the pi.

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            • ChrisPundefined
              ChrisP
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              Looking at the schematic and @dc42's comment, I don't think it is the diodes since the regulator feedback is taken after these.

              I've just tried starting my system up from cold with nothing attached to the Pi (other than the D3, clearly) and I didn't get power warnings at all (can be observed by either the Pi's red power LED staying lit or looking at the journal logs). As soon as I plugged the LCD in, I begin getting occasional under-voltage warnings that tend to last for ~6 seconds before the voltage shows as normalised again. If I then open a chrome tab on the Pi with DWC then the it's under-voltage warning is on pretty much permanently with only the occasional flick off - not long enough to register as normalised in the journal logs.

              Having looked at the schematic, I'm now wondering if the bottleneck is that all the power to the SBC (via J48) seems to go through just one jumper - JP4. While I don't know the exact spec of the part used, the internet seems to suggest that these are typically rated at 2A.

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              • Danalundefined
                Danal @T3P3Tony
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                @T3P3Tony said in Undervolts on Pi:

                @Danal said in Undervolts on Pi:

                I don't have a D3 schematic

                https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mainboard-6HC/blob/master/Duet3_Mainboard_v1.0/Duet3_MB_schematic_v1.0.pdf

                2x 5V pins
                5x GND pins

                THANKS!!

                Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                • Danalundefined
                  Danal @ChrisP
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                  @ChrisP said in Undervolts on Pi:

                  Looking at the schematic and @dc42's comment, I don't think it is the diodes since the regulator feedback is taken after these.

                  I've just tried starting my system up from cold with nothing attached to the Pi (other than the D3, clearly) and I didn't get power warnings at all (can be observed by either the Pi's red power LED staying lit or looking at the journal logs).

                  It may be right on the edge... I do get warnings in the above config. Pi 4B+ 4Gig.

                  As soon as I plugged the LCD in, I begin getting occasional under-voltage warnings that tend to last for ~6 seconds before the voltage shows as normalised again.

                  I probably should look at the logs more carefully. Eyeball doesn't see any change when I plug in my 7" LCD... but the Mark 1 eye has its limits. I'll do some math, and see if there is more influence than I think.

                  If I then open a chrome tab on the Pi with DWC then the it's under-voltage warning is on pretty much permanently with only the occasional flick off - not long enough to register as normalised in the journal logs.

                  Interesting. I'm letting the Chrome/DWC autostart. So my "nothing attached" baseline has this running. Hmmm....

                  Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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