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    • FelixHundefined
      FelixH
      last edited by

      Hi Folks,

      After upgrading to the RRF3, one of my printers is doing something weird. It is a cartesian printer with steel frame and I set it up to work sensorless, which after a lot of trial and error turned out to work very good. However, after upgrading to RRF3 sometimes the Y homing does not get triggered. It seems to be quite random, sometimes it works and some other times it doesn't. Here is my homey.g and homeall.g. The issue pops up in both of them.

      homey.g

      ; homey.g
      ; called to home the Y axis
      
      
      G91			; set relative mode
      G1 H2 Y0.2              ; Move Y by 0.2 mm, clear stall status
      G29 S2                  ; to clear the height map before Z homing
      M561                    ; reset bed compensation
      
      M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
      M913 Y75 		; Y motor % current
      M915 Y S3 R0 F0 	; set X sensitivity, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
      G1 H2 Z5 F1200 		; lift Z
      G1 H1 Y-260 F3600 	; move X back, stopping at the end stop
      
      M400 			; make sure everything has stopped
      M913 Y100 		; XY motors to 100% current
      
      M915 Y S30 R0 F0 	; set Y sensitivity high, pause when stall, filtered
      
      G1 H2 Z-5 F1200         ; reset z
      G90 			; back to absolute mode
      
      

      homeall.g

      ; homeall.g
      ; called to home all axes
      
      
      
      G91			; set relative mode
      G1 H2 Z5 F1200 		; lift Z
      G29 S2                  ; to clear the height map before Z homing
      M561                    ;reset bed compensation
      
      
      ; homex.g
      
      G1 H2 X0.2              ; Move X by 0.2 mm, clear stall status
      
      M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
      M913 X70 		; X motor % current
      M915 X S2 R0 F0 	; set X sensitivity, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
      ;M574 X1 S3 		; set endstops to use motor stall
      G1 H1 X-260 F3600 	; move X back, stopping at the end stop
      
      M400 			; make sure everything has stopped
      M913 X100 		; XY motors to 100% current
      
      M915 X S30 R0 F0 	; set X sensitivity high, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
      
      M400; 			; make sure everything has stopped
      
      
      
      
      ; homey.g
      
      
      G1 H2 Y0.2              ; Move Y by 0.2 mm, clear stall status
      
      M913 Y75 		; Y motor % current
      M915 Y S3 R0 F0 	; set X sensitivity, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
      ;M574 Y S3 		; set endstops to use motor stall
      
      G1 H1 Y-260 F3600 	; move X back, stopping at the end stop
      
      M400 			; make sure everything has stopped
      M913 Y100 		; XY motors to 100% current
      
      M915 Y S30 R0 F0 	; set Y sensitivity high, pause when stall, filtered
      
      M400		        ; make sure everything has stopped
      
      
      
      
      ;homez.g
      
      
      G90         	         ; absolute positioning
      G1 X110 Y110 F6000 	 ; go to first probe point
      G30              	 ; home Z by probing the bed
      
      
      

      Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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      • Phaedruxundefined
        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by

        Can you post your config.g as well?

        Can you try a higher homing speed than 3600?

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        • FelixHundefined
          FelixH @Phaedrux
          last edited by

          @Phaedrux config.g is as follows

          ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3.11)
          ; executed by the firmware on start-up
          ;
          ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Feb 04 2019 17:03:09 GMT+0100 (Central European Standard Time)
          
          ; General preferences
          
          G90                                                ; Send absolute coordinates...
          M83                                                ; ...but relative extruder moves
          
          ;Panel Due Setup
          
          M575 P1 B57600 S1
          
          ; Network
          M550 P"Steel"                                      ; Set machine name
          M552 S1                                            ; Enable network
          
          M586 P0 S1                                         ; Enable HTTP
          M586 P1 S0                                         ; Disable FTP
          M586 P2 S0                                         ; Disable Telnet
          
          ; Drives
          
          M569 P0 S0                                         ; Drive 0 goes backwards
          M569 P1 S0                                         ; Drive 1 goes backwards
          M569 P2 S1                                         ; Drive 2 goes forwards
          M569 P3 S0                                         ; Drive 3 goes backwards
          
          M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                            ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
          M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E428.7                   ; Set steps per mm
          M566 X600.00 Y600.00 Z18.00 E300.00                ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z480.00 E3600.00            ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
          M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z100.00 E10000.00           ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
          M906 X650.00 Y800.00 Z800.00 E800.00 I30           ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
          M84 S30 
          
          ; Axis Limits
          
          M208 X-20.8 Y-26.0 Z0 S1                           ; Set axis minima
          M208 X220 Y220 Z200 S0                             ; Set axis maxima
          
          ; Endstops
          
          M574 X1 S3                                         ; Motor Stall X Endstop
          M574 Y1 S3
          ;M574 Y1 S3                                         ; Motor Stall Y Endstop
          
          M915 X Y S30 F0 R0				   ; Stall guard config when not homing
          
          
          
          M574 Z1 S2 	                                   ; Set endstops controlled by probe
          M558 P5 C"!zprobe.in" I1 H5 F300 T6000   	   ; Set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
          
          G31 P500 X-25 Y7 Z1.28                              ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                                                             ; The larger the number the closest it gets to the bed
                                                             ; i.e.  1.50 puts the nozzle closer to the bed than 1.20
          M557 X40:210 Y5:190 S20                            ; Define mesh grid
          
          
          ; Bed Heaters/Thermistors
          
          M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 C0 R4700 	; Define thermistor
          M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                                           ; Link pin name with heater
          M307 H0 B0 S1.00				                ; Disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
          M140 H0								; Links everything on the GUI
          M143 H0 S95                                       		; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 95C
                                          
          
          ; HotEnd Heaters/Thermistors
          
          M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 R4725 	  ; Define thermistor
          M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1						  ; Link pin name with heater
          M143 H1 S290							  ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 290C
          
          
          ; Bed / HotEnd Autotunes
          
          M307 H1 A667 C208.6 D8.1 V24.2 B0                  ; Hotend Autotune  //Changed
          M307 H0 A165 C313.5 D1.2 V0.0                      ; Bed Autotune //Changed. Silicone heated bed.
          
          ; Fans
          M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500
          M106 P0 S0 H-1                        		   ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
          
          M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500
          M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                         	   ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
                                                             ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
          
          ; Tools
          M563 P0 D0 H1                                      ; Define tool 0
          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                    ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
          G10 P0 R0 S0                                       ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
          
          ; Automatic power saving
          M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; Set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
          
          ; Custom settings are not configured
          
          T0
          

          I tried F4800 for the Y homing speed and worked just fine...

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator @FelixH
            last edited by

            @FelixH said in Help troubleshooting after upgrade to RRF3 (sensorless homing):

            I tried F4800 for the Y homing speed and worked just fine...

            So it's working more consistently now with a higher speed?

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            • FelixHundefined
              FelixH @Phaedrux
              last edited by

              @Phaedrux I just tried once because I have to print some parts wiht this printe. Tomorrow I will investigate further on this direction. Do you thing it has something to do with the homing speed?

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by

                Well tall detection requires a certain amount of speed to be able to detect a stall correctly.

                It can be calculated https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Stall_detection_and_sensorless_homing#Section_Minimum_recommended_speed_for_stall_detection

                But if it's occasionally not triggering it could be on the verge of too slow.

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                • FelixHundefined
                  FelixH @Phaedrux
                  last edited by

                  @Phaedrux somehow the dimensions on that formula do not seem right, but I might be missing something probably... anyway, thanks for the pointer. Curious how this showed up just after the upgrade...

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                  • FelixHundefined
                    FelixH
                    last edited by

                    So, the printer has undergone several Y-homings since I changed the speed and has suffered 0 fails, so I would say the issue is solved. Thanks again!

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