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    Jaw8850
    last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 00:55

    @Veti
    OK, I have re-run PID tuning on bed 1st then hotend. I have trimmed down my config files I believe. I am running G32 which homes all then probes center then probes each side lead screws. I then run G1 X137 Y156 Z5 to move the print head to the center of the bed. I then run G30 to get a zero value followed by G29. When done my mesh is a mess and the original z in the center of the bed is WAY BELOW 0, like -.962. any ideas what may cause this? I am running a mini IR probe and probing each spot 5 times with an S value of 0. I am probing a black textured pei sheet.

    BedLevel.PNG

    config.g
    bed.g
    homeall.g
    homez.g

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      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 00:58

      Can you show a photo of your bed surface?

      Was it working at all before you updated from 2.05?

      Taking a look at your latest files now.

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        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:01

        I notice you have S0 in your M558. Delete that. The default is 0.03 and I don't think 0 is a valid way to use it.

        Can you also post the results of M122 and M98 P"config.g"?

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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:04

          By the way, if you're using stall detection for X and Y you really only need to make a single pass. A slower second pass makes no sense in this context since a good stall needs a short sharp shock.

          M913 X50 Y50 Z50 ; drop motor currents to 50%
          M915 X Y S3 R0 ; set sensitivity to +3 unfiltered
          G1 H1 X-305 F4800 ; move X all the way left and stop at end
          G4 P250 ; wait 250msec
          G1 X10 F12000 ; go back a few mm
          G4 P250 ; wait 250msec
          G1 H1 X-305 F4800 ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
          G1 X10 F12000 ; go back a few mm
          G4 P500 ; wait 500msec
          G1 H1 Y-305 F4800 ; move Y all the way forward and stop at end
          G1 Y10 F12000 ; go back a few mm
          G1 H1 Y-305 F4800 ; move slowly to Y axis endstop once more (second pass)
          G4 P500 ; wait 500msec
          G0 X127 Y142 F12000 ; go to back center of bed for measurement
          G4 P500 ; wait 500msec

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            Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
            last edited by Phaedrux 1 Sept 2021, 01:14 9 Jan 2021, 01:07

            @Phaedrux
            Thank you, I've taken out the S, and changed up Home All and HomeY and HomeX

            Here is M122

            1/8/2021, 8:06:43 PM M122
            === Diagnostics ===
            RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2 running on Duet Ethernet 1.02 or later
            Board ID: 08DGM-9T6BU-FG3S0-7JTD8-3S06N-KB4BD
            Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (16 max)
            === RTOS ===
            Static ram: 23460
            Dynamic ram: 68864 of which 100 recycled
            Never used RAM 19656, free system stack 104 words
            Tasks: NETWORK(ready,185) HEAT(blocked,309) MAIN(running,400) IDLE(ready,19)
            Owned mutexes:
            === Platform ===
            Last reset 00:30:06 ago, cause: software
            Last software reset at 2021-01-08 19:36, reason: User, GCodes spinning, available RAM 19864, slot 2
            Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0041f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x00000000 Task MAIN Freestk 0 n/a
            Error status: 0x00
            Aux0 errors 0,0,0
            MCU temperature: min 33.8, current 34.6, max 35.5
            Supply voltage: min 24.1, current 24.2, max 24.3, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
            Driver 0: position 81011, standstill, SG min/max 0/352
            Driver 1: position 5994, standstill, SG min/max 0/348
            Driver 2: position 16295, standstill, SG min/max 0/1023
            Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max 0/1023
            Driver 5: position 0
            Driver 6: position 0
            Driver 7: position 0
            Driver 8: position 0
            Driver 9: position 0
            Driver 10: position 0
            Driver 11: position 0
            Date/time: 2021-01-08 20:06:40
            Cache data hit count 2734090471
            Slowest loop: 295.16ms; fastest: 0.17ms
            I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
            === Storage ===
            Free file entries: 10
            SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
            SD card longest read time 2.0ms, write time 18.7ms, max retries 0
            === Move ===
            DMs created 83, maxWait 392107ms, bed compensation in use: mesh, comp offset 0.000
            === MainDDARing ===
            Scheduled moves 492, completed moves 492, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 6], CDDA state -1
            === AuxDDARing ===
            Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
            === Heat ===
            Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
            === GCodes ===
            Segments left: 0
            Movement lock held by null
            HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
            Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
            File is idle in state(s) 0
            USB is idle in state(s) 0
            Aux is idle in state(s) 0
            Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
            Queue is idle in state(s) 0
            LCD is idle in state(s) 0
            Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
            Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
            Code queue is empty.
            === Network ===
            Slowest loop: 295.42ms; fastest: 0.02ms
            Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
            HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
            Interface state active, link 100Mbps full duplex

            homeall (1).g
            homex.g
            homey.g

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              Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
              last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:08

              @Phaedrux

              Here is result of M98"config.g"

              1/8/2021, 8:08:09 PM m98 P"config.g"
              HTTP is enabled on port 80
              FTP is disabled
              TELNET is disabled
              Error: Pin 'fan1' is not free
              Error: Fan number 2 not found

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                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:11

                G30 Z ; home z by probing the bed
                G1 H1 Z3 ; lower bed for clearance

                In your homeall there are two things that aren't right.

                First G30 doesn't need Z. G30 by itself just means probe z at the current location.

                and you definitely don't want G1 H1 Z3 there. The H1 is a homing move. In your case both these things don't really have any effect, but figured you should know.

                If you want to raise the Z axis to a certain height at that point just use G1 Z

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                  Phaedrux Moderator @Jaw8850
                  last edited by Phaedrux 1 Sept 2021, 01:16 9 Jan 2021, 01:13

                  @Jaw8850 said in HELP WITH HEIGHT MAP HAS SUBSTANTIAL Z OFFSET WARNING:

                  Error: Pin 'fan1' is not free
                  Error: Fan number 2 not found

                  Looks like you've got some fan problems too.

                  M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                  M106 P1 S1 H1 T70 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                  M950 F2 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                  M106 P2 S0.5 H1 T60 ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

                  You're using fan1 twice. One of them is probably supposed to be fan2.

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                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by Phaedrux 1 Sept 2021, 01:15 9 Jan 2021, 01:13

                    The position that you use to probe the Z axis should be the same between homeall and homez. It should also be the same point you use for the G30 before running G29.

                    G1 X137 Y156 F2000 ; put head over the centre of the bed, or wherever you want to probe

                    G0 X127 Y142 F12000 ; go to back center of bed for measurement

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                      Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
                      last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:22

                      @Phaedrux
                      Got the fans sorted, thank you
                      1/8/2021, 8:20:45 PM m98 P"config.g"
                      HTTP is enabled on port 80
                      FTP is disabled
                      TELNET is disabled

                      and I adjusted the Homez and homeall to match

                      config.g
                      bed.g
                      homeall.g
                      homez.g

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                        Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
                        last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:23

                        @Phaedrux

                        Reference a Mesh Bed Leveling Macro, does this look right? I commented out the temperature settings until I know it's probing correctly etc.

                        M561 ; clear any bed transform
                        ;M140 S70 ; Start Heating the bed
                        ;M109 S200 ; Start Heating the nozzle
                        G32 ; Home all & adjust lead screws
                        G1 X137 Y156 Z5 ; move to center of the bed
                        G30 ; probe Z
                        G29 ; run mesh bed leveling
                        G1 H1 X240 Y240 Z50
                        ;M140 S0
                        ;M109 S0

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                          Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
                          last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:27

                          @Phaedrux
                          Here is a picture of my bed surface. I also have a buildtak flexplate with PEI on it but it's translucent yellow and shiny in spots, I was going to wetsand it with 1000 grit to try and dull it out if I can't get this textured sheet to work
                          20210108_200402.jpg

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                            Phaedrux Moderator
                            last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:27

                            G30 Z ; lower head, stop when probe triggered and set Z to trigger height
                            G1 Z5 F4000 ; lower Z 5mm
                            G30 Z ; lower head, stop when probe triggered and set Z to trigger height (second pass)

                            In homez you still have the G30 Z. Also, if you want it to do two passes, say a fast pass and then a slower pass use something like this

                            M558 F500 A1 ; set fast single dive speed
                            G30 ; probe the bed
                            M558 F60 A5 ; set slow multi dive speed
                            G30

                            That gets you a fast first z homing and then a slower more accurate one.

                            In your homeall, you should remove this line

                            G1 H1 X10 ;move X away from frame to home Y

                            Your mesh macro looks ok, but instead of this

                            G1 X137 Y156 Z5 ; move to center of the bed
                            G30 ; probe Z

                            you could just use G28 Z to home the z axis

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                              Phaedrux Moderator
                              last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:28

                              Have you recently remeasured your trigger height?

                              G31 X-27 Y0 Z2.062 P500

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                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:29

                                As for the bed surface a good way to test if it's a factor you can place a plane piece of paper over the bed and see if the mesh looks much different.

                                The white lines might have an effect and it looks a bit shiny. Hard to say.... best to test with something matte.

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                                  Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 01:31

                                  @Phaedrux
                                  with the sensorless homing when I don't move X back away from 0 it hits and stops Y at about 20mm from 0. also when I hit G30 without the G1 command it just probes the bed at the right lead screw where it parked from doing the G32

                                  I have remeasured trigger height what seams like 100 times but not opposed to doing it more. this is the method I'm using for that from https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe

                                  Make sure the dynamic test is successful (Z probe stops when it senses the bed) before doing this.
                                  Cancel any currently active mesh compensation with M561
                                  Use the X and Y jog buttons to position the nozzle over the centre of the bed
                                  Jog the nozzle down until it is just touching the bed or just gripping a sheet of paper. If the firmware doesn't let you jog it down far enough, send M564 S0 to disable axis limits.
                                  Once you have the nozzle touching the bed, send command G92 Z0 to tell the firmware that the head is at Z=0
                                  Jog the head up by 5 to 10mm
                                  Send command G30 S-1. The nozzle will descend or the bed rise until the probe triggers and the Z height at which the probe stopped will be reported. If you are using a nozzle-contact Z probe, the trigger height will be slightly negative. For any other type of Z probe where the probe triggers before the nozzle contacts the bed, it will be positive.
                                  Repeat from step 5 two or three times to make sure that the trigger height is consistent.
                                  In Duet Web Control, go to Settings -> System Editor and edit the config.g file. Set the Z parameter in the G31 command to the trigger height that was reported. Save the file.
                                  Open config-override.g and check that there are no G31 commands in it. If you find any, delete those lines and save the file.
                                  To apply the new trigger height, restart the Duet by sending M999 or pressing Emergency Stop.

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                                    Jaw8850 @Phaedrux
                                    last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 02:02

                                    @Phaedrux
                                    I ran through Live Z twice - below are screen shots of stopped heights. I set Z offset to 2.075 in config.g after running this twice

                                    LiveZ1.PNG
                                    LiveZ2.PNG

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                                      Phaedrux Moderator @Jaw8850
                                      last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 02:36

                                      @Jaw8850 said in HELP WITH HEIGHT MAP HAS SUBSTANTIAL Z OFFSET WARNING:

                                      with the sensorless homing when I don't move X back away from 0 it hits and stops Y at about 20mm from 0

                                      Then use just a G1 X move. leave out the H1.

                                      @Jaw8850 said in HELP WITH HEIGHT MAP HAS SUBSTANTIAL Z OFFSET WARNING:

                                      also when I hit G30 without the G1 command it just probes the bed at the right lead screw where it parked from doing the G32

                                      Yes, but what I'm saying is a G28 Z command will do the positioning and probing for you.

                                      @Jaw8850 said in HELP WITH HEIGHT MAP HAS SUBSTANTIAL Z OFFSET WARNING:

                                      I have remeasured trigger height what seams like 100 times but not opposed to doing it more. this is the method I'm using for that from https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe

                                      That's fine. As long as the trigger height seems consistant. The important thing is that the nozzle is just touching the bed when Z=0.

                                      How does your mesh look now? You're only using 9 points total, so the shape will always look a bit weird if there is some tilt.

                                      Change your M557 command from M557 X40:240 Y30:270 S100 to M557 X40:240 Y30:270 P4

                                      That will add a few more points. 4 in each direction. You could increase it even more to get a more detailed picture of the bed.

                                      I also note that your bed would appear to be tilted in the Y direction. Your 2 point tilt correction along the X axis won't be able to solve for that. You should start from as level a bed as possible.

                                      See if running through this guide helps.

                                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40

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                                        Jaw8850
                                        last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 02:44

                                        Gotcha

                                        Removed the H1
                                        Replaced the G1 and G30 with G28 Z

                                        Mesh is getting better. I replaced springs with silicone bed spacers so I was using as few points as possible to get the tilt out and try to get left/right and front/back as good as I could since there are only the screws at the 4 corners to make adjustment. I wet sanded the PEI Flex Sheet I have with 1000 grit, and now it's getting much much better. Not perfect but much better than it was

                                        20210108_211336 (1).jpg

                                        LevelPEI.PNG

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                                          Phaedrux Moderator
                                          last edited by 9 Jan 2021, 02:50

                                          That's looking much better.

                                          You can run the bed.g a few times in a row to get it a bit tighter.

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