Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?)

bricoletout

Hi,

I'm in the 3d printing community for years as a hobbyist (I'm printing parts for RC cars).

My employer wants to buy a printer. They asked me to help them to choose a good printer between 5000$ and 10000$.

I know, as a hobbyist, that a core XY with duet3d controller, slice engineering hotend and bondtech extruder is a good choice but I don't find a "ready to print" printer with this equipment.

What we need :

Be able to print asa, nylon, cf nylon and other good polymers (not peek or very high temp for now) so we need to reach 300°C (330-350°C would be greater for high temp nylons).
Heated bed with 100°C minimum.
Enclosure.
300x300x300mm of volume.
Better with a non web base slicer.
Non proprietary filaments.
Good support

In this price range there is Ultimaker S5, Raise3D, Airwolf3d, Makerbot, Markforged...

I will study in depth this market but I'm asking for suggestions

Which printer would you choose beetween 5k and 10k$ ?

Do we know the "industrial printer" who comes with a duet3d ?

Thank you for your answers.

Veti

@bricoletout
you can already rule some out.

ultimaker s5 build volume is for example 330 x 240 x 300 mm

bricoletout

@Veti You're right. I'm building a sheet to compare all the specs...

Veti

i dont know much about industrial printer.

if i were to build a printer for that specs i would consider building a voron 2.4, but its that is not ready to print.

there is a sort of commercial version of it https://www.formbot3d.com/products/vivedino-core-xy-fully-enclosed-3d-printer that uses a duet based board.

bricoletout

@Veti Yes I would go for the Voron also but it isn't ready to print. I will look at your link, thank you.

fcwilt

@bricoletout said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@Veti Yes I would go for the Voron also but it isn't ready to print. I will look at your link, thank you.

I personally would not use a voron design.

The additional issues associated with moving the XY gantry on the Z axis would be my concern.

One person reported that a computer simulation indicated that Z belt stretch was a possible problem as the center of mass of the XY gantry was constantly changing.

I see no upside to the design and a possible downside.

CoreXY designs are currently quite popular but there are also Ultimaker designs and MarkForged designs to consider.

Just my two cents.

Frederick

Veti

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

One person reported that a computer simulation indicated that Z belt stretch was a possible problem as the center of mass of the XY gantry was constantly changing.

compare that to beds that are only suspended at one side like in the ultimaker, which can cause wobble. i think this is more of a theoretical problem than a practical one.

fcwilt

@Veti said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

One person reported that a computer simulation indicated that Z belt stretch was a possible problem as the center of mass of the XY gantry was constantly changing.

compare that to beds that are only suspended at one side like in the ultimaker, which can cause wobble. i think this is more of a theoretical problem than a practical one.

I'm not a fan of cantilever bed designs but they are not an inherent feature of Ultimaker XY kinematics.

I've seen cantilever bed designs on CoreXY printers and I would not be surprised if there are other kinematics where folks have tried cantilever beds.

But that still leaves the question what is the upside to a voron design?

Frederick

Veti

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

But that still leaves the question what is the upside to a voron design?

its a iterative design for printing high temperature filaments well.

bricoletout

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@bricoletout said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@Veti Yes I would go for the Voron also but it isn't ready to print. I will look at your link, thank you.

I personally would not use a voron design.

The additional issues associated with moving the XY gantry on the Z axis would be my concern.

One person reported that a computer simulation indicated that Z belt stretch was a possible problem as the center of mass of the XY gantry was constantly changing.

I see no upside to the design and a possible downside.

CoreXY designs are currently quite popular but there are also Ultimaker designs and MarkForged designs to consider.

Just my two cents.

Frederick

Thank you for your contribution. Actually the Voron is out because it isn't assembled. I will consider other option.

jay_s_uk

I'll build you a voron for $10k

dc42

The smaller Tractus printers may fit your budget and size requirements, https://tractus3d.com/.

fcwilt

@Veti said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

But that still leaves the question what is the upside to a voron design?

its a iterative design for printing high temperature filaments well.

That doesn't really tell us why the XY gantry should be moved as opposed to the bed.

Frederick

Veti

@fcwilt

because its lighter than the bed?

bricoletout

@dc42 said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

The smaller Tractus printers may fit your budget and size requirements, https://tractus3d.com/.

Thank you, I will have a look at it.

fcwilt

@Veti said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

@fcwilt

because its lighter than the bed?

I have no idea. Steppers are not exactly lightweight devices.

And it's not like the bed needs to move up/down quickly in the way the XY axes need to move so does the weight even matter?

While there is some wiring to the bed it is less than the wiring to the XY gantry.

It's just a gut feeling but moving the bed seems the better approach.

Frederick

Luke'sLaboratory

I will be launching 2 printer series "soon" that will be enclosable as well as using Duet3D hardware (with the option of either RRF or klipper).
You can see the first unit of my slinger series I shipped to an early beta customer in action at 7k Acceleration here. That's a 400x400 bed moving that fast! Results - The top print was from that video!

The keys to my printer design are as follows:

Any hotend/extruder combo - it adds some bulk, but the gantry plates are sturdy aluminum and have a variety of holes for mounting whichever hotend you'd like. The unit shipped was a e3d Volcano, but on my personal unit I run a slice magnum with an orbiter extruder. I have a Lily pellet extruder on-order and will also be making adapters.
Scalable volume - Both printer series are any-sizable, they rely on common joints that just have scaled extrusion/linear rail.
High temp capable - The slinger specifically was designed for bolt-on panels that will enclose the volume quickly and cheaply without complex machining. Bed is capable of 140C, after that alternative options will be needed for magnets on the removable sheets
Nothing is proprietary about it - this will be released open-source just like my Stablebot Core design currently is. Run any slicer, firmware, filament you want.

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core
I have the parts on-hand for a single-extruder build which I will be using a slice magnum, but the same principles apply. This machine currently runs a D3 6HC with A 3HC extender, but with a single-extruder option, could run on a D3 Mini 5+ with stepper expansions.

bricoletout

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

I will be launching 2 printer series "soon" that will be enclosable as well as using Duet3D hardware (with the option of either RRF or klipper).
You can see the first unit of my slinger series I shipped to an early beta customer in action at 7k Acceleration here. That's a 400x400 bed moving that fast! Results - The top print was from that video!

The keys to my printer design are as follows:

Any hotend/extruder combo - it adds some bulk, but the gantry plates are sturdy aluminum and have a variety of holes for mounting whichever hotend you'd like. The unit shipped was a e3d Volcano, but on my personal unit I run a slice magnum with an orbiter extruder. I have a Lily pellet extruder on-order and will also be making adapters.

Scalable volume - Both printer series are any-sizable, they rely on common joints that just have scaled extrusion/linear rail.

High temp capable - The slinger specifically was designed for bolt-on panels that will enclose the volume quickly and cheaply without complex machining. Bed is capable of 140C, after that alternative options will be needed for magnets on the removable sheets

Nothing is proprietary about it - this will be released open-source just like my Stablebot Core design currently is. Run any slicer, firmware, filament you want.

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core
I have the parts on-hand for a single-extruder build which I will be using a slice magnum, but the same principles apply. This machine currently runs a D3 6HC with A 3HC extender, but with a single-extruder option, could run on a D3 Mini 5+ with stepper expansions.

Great work, your table moves a lot !

I need a ready to print printer, not a kit, for my company.

Luke'sLaboratory

@bricoletout I will happily ship a completed Core or Slinger in whatever configuration you'd like for a fair price. I've sent you a DM, otherwise my email is Luke@Lukeslab.online

fcwilt

@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

The other printer is my stablebot Core, with the repo here: https://github.com/lukeslaboratory/Stablebot-Core

That picture does not exactly fill me with a feeling of confidence.

Frederick