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    • erwalyundefined
      erwaly
      last edited by erwaly

      I got a problem whit the heaters, bed and extruder. when my heaters reaches temp the mosfet make a sounds and leds dont stop. I got rrf 3.2.2 in my board.
      Here i find the same problem:

      https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/15228/duet2wifi-with-3-01-rc5-making-strange-buzz-sounds/6

      And i put Q10 in my m950 and now yes don't get sound hard just a little beep but the led is a crazy a not stop.
      That only happen when i set pid when use bang bang dont have problems.

      This is my config:

      ; Drives
      M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
      M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
      M569 P2 S0 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
      M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
      M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
      M350 X256 Y256 Z256 I0 ; configure microstepping without interpolation
      M350 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
      M92 X1280.00 Y1280.00 Z6400.00 E763.94 ; set steps per mm
      M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
      M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
      M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
      M906 X1800 Y1800 Z1800 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
      M84 S15 ; Set idle timeout

      ; Axis Limits
      M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
      M208 X330 Y330 Z500 S0 ; set axis maxima

      ; Endstops
      M574 X1 S1 P"!xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
      M574 Y1 S1 P"!ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
      M574 Z1 S1 P"!zstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin zstop

      ; Z-Probe
      M558 P0 H5 F120 T6000 ; disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
      M557 X15:215 Y15:195 S20 ; define mesh grid

      ; Heaters
      M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
      M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 Q10 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
      M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
      M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
      M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
      M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
      M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 Q10 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
      M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
      M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

      ; Fans
      M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
      M106 P0 C"V.Capa" S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 name and value. Thermostatic control is turned off
      M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
      M106 P1 C"V.Extrusor" S1 H1 T35 ; set fan 1 name and value. Thermostatic control is turned on

      ; Tools
      M563 P0 S"E3D.V6" D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
      G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

      ; Custom settings are not defined

      ; Miscellaneous
      M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
      M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
      M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss

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      • Phaedruxundefined
        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by

        Are you using an external mosfet or the internal mosfet on the Duet?

        Q10 is still 10hz, or 10 times per second, which is still going to make the LED flash a lot, but should be a safe frequency to use.

        Other than the LED blinking are you having any other problems? Are the temps stable? Did the PID tune complete sucessfully?

        Can you post the results of M122 and M98 P"config.g" please?

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        • erwalyundefined
          erwaly
          last edited by erwaly

          Thanks for aswer, i use the internal mosfet, and yes this is the only problem I have, but that is normal? I got other board and dont have this problem just in that one. When i down the fz to 10 is not make sound, but i think not is normal use, but the temperature is right and stable.and the pid complete succesfully.
          Can i use the pwm fz in Q1 ? there look work some beter,the temeperature is right and look normal work.

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          • erwalyundefined
            erwaly @erwaly
            last edited by

            I up two videos in youtube one whit Q10 in config and other whiteout it.

            Thas is whiteout it:
            [link text] (https://youtu.be/OJNgrLSMkKQ)

            That whit Q10 in config:

            link text

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            • Stephen6309undefined
              Stephen6309
              last edited by

              The leds light when the heater output is supplied power. So, they will flash while maintaining the temperature.

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              • erwalyundefined
                erwaly
                last edited by

                yes the problem that its is crazy or thats is the normal work in duet? and whit q10 in config is a tic tic tic sound and not stop in high temperatures.you can see it in the second video.

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                • Stephen6309undefined
                  Stephen6309
                  last edited by Stephen6309

                  The amount of flashing delpends on on hard it has to work to maintain the temperature. I've never had the mosfets make any noise on my Duets or RAMPS. The only time I had clicking was when I had to use a relay module on a AC bed heater.

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                  • erwalyundefined
                    erwaly
                    last edited by

                    I got a 24v 15A 360W power supply and not use external mosfet is conect to board.

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator @erwaly
                      last edited by

                      @erwaly said in Heaters problem:

                      Can i use the pwm fz in Q1

                      Yes I think so. I think I've used it in the past to stop the pot lights from flickering. Give it a try.

                      The video definitely shows more audible clicking that I would expect. But maybe my noise floor is a lot higher and I just never noticed before.

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
                        last edited by

                        After doing a heating of the bed can you send M122 in the gcode console and post the results here please?

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators
                          last edited by

                          Mosfets do not normally make any noise, so I suspect the noise is coming from somewhere else, e.g. the PSU, or the bed heater itself.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                          • erwalyundefined
                            erwaly @Phaedrux
                            last edited by

                            @Phaedrux yes i send m122 when the bed is to 60° degrees that show me:

                            M122
                            === Diagnostics ===
                            RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2.2 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                            Board ID: 08DGM-9T6BU-FG3S8-6J1F8-3S86Q-1BKZF
                            Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (12 max)
                            === RTOS ===
                            Static ram: 23460
                            Dynamic ram: 73404 of which 32 recycled
                            Never used RAM 15184, free system stack 182 words
                            Tasks: NETWORK(ready,182) HEAT(blocked,294) MAIN(running,449) IDLE(ready,20)
                            Owned mutexes:
                            === Platform ===
                            Last reset 00:05:05 ago, cause: power up
                            Last software reset at 2021-03-23 19:50, reason: User, GCodes spinning, available RAM 15184, slot 2
                            Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0041f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x00000000 Task MAIN Freestk 0 n/a
                            Error status: 0x00
                            Aux0 errors 0,0,0
                            MCU temperature: min 26.9, current 37.4, max 37.5
                            Supply voltage: min 23.9, current 24.7, max 25.1, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                            Driver 0: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                            Driver 1: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                            Driver 2: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                            Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                            Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                            Driver 5: position 0
                            Driver 6: position 0
                            Driver 7: position 0
                            Driver 8: position 0
                            Driver 9: position 0
                            Driver 10: position 0
                            Driver 11: position 0
                            Date/time: 2021-03-23 23:01:32
                            Cache data hit count 370524343
                            Slowest loop: 154.06ms; fastest: 0.21ms
                            I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                            === Storage ===
                            Free file entries: 10
                            SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                            SD card longest read time 1.7ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                            === Move ===
                            DMs created 83, maxWait 0ms, bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                            === MainDDARing ===
                            Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                            === AuxDDARing ===
                            Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                            === Heat ===
                            Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                            Heater 0 is on, I-accum = 0.0
                            === GCodes ===
                            Segments left: 0
                            Movement lock held by null
                            HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                            Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                            File is idle in state(s) 0
                            USB is idle in state(s) 0
                            Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                            Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                            Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                            LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                            Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                            Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                            Code queue is empty.
                            === Network ===
                            Slowest loop: 15.70ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                            Responder states: HTTP(2) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                            HTTP sessions: 1 of 8

                            • WiFi -
                              Network state is active
                              WiFi module is connected to access point
                              Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                              WiFi firmware version 1.25
                              WiFi MAC address cc:50:e3:14:a8:92
                              WiFi Vcc 3.38, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                              WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 24952
                              WiFi IP address 192.168.1.85
                              WiFi signal strength -75dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                              Clock register 00002002
                              Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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                            • erwalyundefined
                              erwaly @dc42
                              last edited by

                              @dc42 maybe is the power supply tomorrow can i try other one, and i don't think is the hotbed because whit the hotend have same problem. And today i changed the thermistor and wires from the bed for new ones to try and nothing I got same problem.when I'll try the power supply i say it here, thanks for yours attention.

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                              • erwalyundefined
                                erwaly @dc42
                                last edited by

                                @dc42 I tryed other power supply today the same one 24v 15a 360w, and when heating it the bed,in the new power supply is burned to 160ohm resistance... I so strange because the first one don't have nothing burned and work fine just the sound...i buy a new hotend for extruder a new hotbed, tomorrow i try the extruder, the bed is take more time to come, but a say anything here when i change it. Thanks for their help.

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                                • erwalyundefined
                                  erwaly @erwaly
                                  last edited by

                                  @erwaly finally i get a new bed and new hotend, i got a logistics problem whit the send and coming today, i try whit new bed, new thermistor,new wires and different power supply and i have the same problem. Whit the new power supply is less sound but can listen it... I think maybe can is a bad update, i don't remember whit what firmware comes not sure but maybe 1.21 or 2.02 i buy it on 2019 but never use before. I want to downgrade the software and new upgrade, what is the best firmware to start? From 2.0 and up or better from 1. 21 and up

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                                  • Phaedruxundefined
                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    I'm not sure what you mean. Did you have firmware 3.2.2 running as shown in your M122 above?

                                    @erwaly said in Heaters problem:

                                    Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2.2

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                                    • erwalyundefined
                                      erwaly @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by

                                      @phaedrux yes i have 3.2.2 now but i want reinstall and new update, what is the best software to start ne install from 0... 2.00 or 1.21,or 3??i think maybe i don't install one file from old updates.

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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by

                                        I really don't understand what you're asking. What are you trying to accomplish?

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                                        • erwalyundefined
                                          erwaly @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by

                                          @phaedrux I think that when I updated my motherboard I made a mistake and some version did not install well. I want to do a clean installation by deleting everything with bossa and installing the board from 0, the thing is which is the best version to install and update, or do I directly load the 3.2.2 again?

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator
                                            last edited by

                                            Ah ok. Well if you have access to the board via usb terminal or DWC currently working you can check the installed firmware with M122 or M115. If it's 3.2.2, you're good to go.

                                            If you want to reinstalled everything and you have access to DWC you can just upload the full zip file for 3.2.2.

                                            https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.2.2/Duet2and3Firmware-3.2.2.zip

                                            If you don't have access to DWC and you want to reinstall the firmware with BOSSA use the combined firmware file from that same zip file.

                                            https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.2/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin

                                            And put the DWC files from this zip file into the /www folder manually.

                                            https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.2/DuetWebControl-SD.zip

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