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    fcwilt @TimsWorkshop
    last edited by fcwilt 10 Apr 2021, 03:57 4 Oct 2021, 01:13

    @infidelprops said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

    @fcwilt A few, but it's just doing a double probe before G29 starts:

    M558 F900 ; Home EZABL Fast 15mm/s
    G30 ; home Z by probing the bed
    M558 F450 ; Home EZABL Slow 7.5mm/s
    G30 ; home Z by probing the bed

    If you are in fact using a EZABL probe you may need to slow down the probing speed.

    Unless they have some tech trick up their sleeve (which they may) their probe is described as a capacitive device with 100 Hz switching frequency.

    I've tested a number of different inductive and capacitive probes and found the capacitive probes needed a much slower probing speed than the better inductive ones. Generally the higher the switching frequency the shorter the response time. I have some inductive probes with a 3000 Hz switching frequency.

    So, just as a test, probe just once at F100, rather than twice at 900/450, and see if that makes any difference.

    Frederick

    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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      TimsWorkshop @fcwilt
      last edited by 4 Oct 2021, 03:01

      @fcwilt Thanks mate - I'll give it a go

      Ender 5 Plus - E3D Hemera Hotend - Duet 2 Wifi

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        TimsWorkshop @fcwilt
        last edited by 4 Oct 2021, 04:09

        @fcwilt so I did a G32 and had to adjust the knobs again, and then ran a G29 with one probe and F100... it took a while, but mesh looks much better. We'll see how it looks tomorrow after a 20hr print.

        Ender 5 Plus - E3D Hemera Hotend - Duet 2 Wifi

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          zapta @fcwilt
          last edited by 6 Oct 2021, 15:54

          @fcwilt said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

          I was a programmer for 30+ years but now given the limited number of files I put them in one place and I always know where they are - the System folder.
          71 year old brains crave simplicity

          @fcwilt, software engineering is a relatively new profession. Did you transition from another discipline?

          Software engineering is unique because people from other disciplines can easily transition to it and do well just by applying common sense. This is not the case with other branches of engineering and STEM (imagine a software engineer designing a bridge ;)).

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            fcwilt @zapta
            last edited by 6 Oct 2021, 16:31

            @zapta said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

            @fcwilt said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

            I was a programmer for 30+ years but now given the limited number of files I put them in one place and I always know where they are - the System folder.
            71 year old brains crave simplicity

            @fcwilt, software engineering is a relatively new profession. Did you transition from another discipline?

            Actually I studied digital circuit design and did that for a couple of years but when microprocessors began to take off my company needed someone to learn how to code for them.

            From that I learned that I liked programming and had the skills. So I branched out into application programming.

            Frederick

            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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              TimsWorkshop @TimsWorkshop
              last edited by 6 Oct 2021, 21:54

              @infidelprops said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

              @fcwilt so I did a G32 and had to adjust the knobs again, and then ran a G29 with one probe and F100... it took a while, but mesh looks much better. We'll see how it looks tomorrow after a 20hr print.

              So finished the print and ran another G29... this time it was still a good mesh and worked well. Not sure but thinking I may want to tune my stepper motors to help reduce them falling, one side or the other.

              Ender 5 Plus - E3D Hemera Hotend - Duet 2 Wifi

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                fcwilt @TimsWorkshop
                last edited by fcwilt 10 Jun 2021, 22:17 6 Oct 2021, 21:59

                @infidelprops said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

                @infidelprops said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

                @fcwilt so I did a G32 and had to adjust the knobs again, and then ran a G29 with one probe and F100... it took a while, but mesh looks much better. We'll see how it looks tomorrow after a 20hr print.

                Sounds promising.

                So finished the print and ran another G29... this time it was still a good mesh and worked well. Not sure but thinking I may want to tune my stepper motors to help reduce them falling, one side or the other.

                One of the benefits of auto bed leveling is getting the Z steppers back in sync.

                On my 3 Z printer when removing the magnetic print surface a stepper sometimes moves due to the reduced current levels.

                Frederick

                Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  TimsWorkshop @fcwilt
                  last edited by 6 Oct 2021, 22:08

                  @fcwilt Thanks mate - I've just got BL Touches delivered and am going to put those in versus the EZABL probe.. that will be todays task.

                  Ender 5 Plus - E3D Hemera Hotend - Duet 2 Wifi

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                    zapta @fcwilt
                    last edited by 8 Oct 2021, 04:32

                    @fcwilt said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

                    One of the benefits of auto bed leveling is getting the Z steppers back in sync.

                    Stumbled today upon this unboxing video. The printer has two Z motors as well as a belt that keeps them sync'ed. It's an interesting idea.

                    https://youtu.be/CkTgm4AQjhY?t=397

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                      fcwilt @zapta
                      last edited by 8 Oct 2021, 05:03

                      @zapta said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

                      Stumbled today upon this unboxing video. The printer has two Z motors as well as a belt that keeps them sync'ed. It's an interesting idea.

                      https://youtu.be/CkTgm4AQjhY?t=397

                      Thanks.

                      I've got one of the earlier, smaller Sapphire Core XY unit

                      It was a pretty nice unit of the box.

                      But I cannot help myself and had to mod it (Duet, PanelDue, better hotend, Zesty Nimble, better bed).

                      Happy with the unit.


                      Here is a quick-and-dirty video of my 3 Z Stepper Belt Drive printer showing the ability to deal with a badly out of level bed:

                      3 Z Stepper Printer

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                        TimsWorkshop @fcwilt
                        last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 22:39

                        @fcwilt Just wanted to post a quick update... I ditched the EZABL and put new BLT's in and haven't had a problem since. Prints are coming out beautiful and I haven't had to adjust the baby steps since the first MBL/ABL.

                        Thanks again for all the insight and help!

                        Ender 5 Plus - E3D Hemera Hotend - Duet 2 Wifi

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                          fcwilt @TimsWorkshop
                          last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 23:13

                          @infidelprops said in Height Map - Substantial z-offset after setting z-offset:

                          @fcwilt Just wanted to post a quick update... I ditched the EZABL and put new BLT's in and haven't had a problem since. Prints are coming out beautiful and I haven't had to adjust the baby steps since the first MBL/ABL.

                          Thanks again for all the insight and help!

                          I love a happy ending.

                          I had doubts about the EZABL when I found out it was capacitive. Before you removed it did you ever try a very slow probing speed?

                          Frederick

                          Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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