Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine
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Here is the latest resurrect.g file:
; File "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" resume print after power failure at 2022-05-29 16:49 G21 G92 X182.895 Y658.930 Z66.000 G60 S1 T-1 P0 M98 P"resurrect-prologue.g" M116 M290 X0.000 Y0.000 Z0.000 R0 ; Workplace coordinates G10 L2 P1 X147.00 Y584.00 Z67.00 G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 G54 M106 S0.50 M106 P0 S0.50 M116 G92 E0.00000 M83 M486 S-1 G17 M23 "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" M26 S249 G0 F6000 Z68.000 G0 F6000 X182.895 Y658.930 G0 F6000 Z66.000 G1 F2500.0 P0 G21 M24
I was under the impression this file was overwritten with a new one every time there was a 'power failure', and it wasn't user-editable?
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
I was under the impression this file was overwritten with a new one every time there was a 'power failure', and it wasn't user-editable?
Your first impression is correct. Whether resurrect.g is write-protected or not? Can't tell you as I currently have no such file at hand …
Nevertheless, here's the first lesson - by the way, it demonstrates how
M911
generates resurrect.g, up to the fact that the generated file will always be overwritten when we callM98 P"MWriter.g"
again; MWriter aka macro writer ; Creates the macro "HelloWorld.g" on the SD card which in turn can be executed ; Requirements: RRF v3.4 ; To keep things simple, we use the /sys directory - which makes sense as any recovery macros should live in there. ; For development and tests, I use DWC, mainly with the "System" tab var fName = "HelloWorld.g" ; this is the filename for the macro to create ; Here, we create the file - note the use of a single ">" with echo: this overwrites any existing file with this name. echo >{var.fName} "; HelloWorld.g" ; with ">>", echo appends something to the now existing file: echo >>{var.fName} "; Macro file created by macro ""MWriter.g""" ; we always write strings - note how to put a string into it (""MWriter.g"") echo >>{var.fName} "" ; empty line for better readability echo >>{var.fName} "M291 S2 R""Hello World"" P""Moin Moin""" ; message box, blocking (S2), with title (R) and message (P), localized :-) echo >>{var.fName} "" echo >>{var.fName} ";EOF" ; ... old habit of mine ;EOF ; same habit ...
Oh, and thanks for your resurrect.g - I'll try to study it. Did you make a copy and added comments?
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Yes, here it is, but I'm not sure if I've done it correctly...
; File "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" resume print after power failure at 2022-05-29 16:49 G21 ; sets units to mm G92 X182.895 Y658.930 Z66.000 ; sets the position for X, Y and Z G60 S1 ; save memory slot number T-1 P0 ; deselects the tool M98 P"resurrect-prologue.g" ; runs the user-defined resurrect-prologue.g M116 ; wait for all temperatures to reach set value M290 X0.000 Y0.000 Z0.000 R0 ; sets babystepping (not CNC) ; Workplace coordinates G10 L2 P1 X147.00 Y584.00 Z67.00 ; origin of coordinate system number G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; as above for 3D printers G54 ; select coordinate system 1 M106 S0.50 ; turns the fan on at half speed M106 P0 S0.50 ; turns user-configured fan on M116 ; wait for all temperatures to reach set value G92 E0.00000 ; sets the position for the extruder M83 ; sets extruder to relative mode M486 S-1 ; Indicate a non-object, purge tower, or other global feature G17 ; select XY plane for arc moves M23 "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" ; selects the file previously running M26 S249 ; set file offset from the start of the interrupted file G0 F6000 Z68.000 ; rapid move to above saved Z height G0 F6000 X182.895 Y658.930 ; rapid move to saved XY axes G0 F6000 Z66.000 ; reaped move to saved Z height G1 F2500.0 P0 ; controlled linear move relating to output pins G21 ; sets units to mm M24 ; start/resume SD print
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
Yes, here it is, but I'm not sure if I've done it correctly...
Thx, and well done! From a first glance, I get the impression that this resurrect.g is missing all the things which are specific to CNC routers.
Could you please try to edit this commented version and insert comment lines with the CNC specific commands you miss? Think carefully, the sequence of commands is essential, else you can wreck your machine in the worst case.
With this "script" ready, we can see if the required additions can be called from resurrect-prologue.g or if we have to write the whole M911 stuff ourselves.
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@infiniteloop Whew, let's see how this goes...
; File "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" resume print after power failure at 2022-05-29 16:49 G21 ; sets units to mm G92 X182.895 Y658.930 Z66.000 ; sets the position for X, Y and Z G60 S1 ; I think a user-defined save slot can be 0, 3, 4 or 5 (0 is default) ? T-1 P0 ; I'm not sure why the tool is deselected Assuming this data has been saved in the state.restorePoints nodes... T0 ; select the last tool used - this should be stored in the relevant state.restorePoints[*].toolNumber Set savedSpindleSpeed ; select the last tool's spindle speed - this should be stored in the relevant state.restorePoints[0].spindleSpeeds M98 P"resurrect-prologue.g" ; runs the user-defined resurrect-prologue.g ; M116 ; not relevant for CNC ; M290 X0.000 Y0.000 Z0.000 R0 ; not relevant for CNC ; Workplace coordinates G10 L2 P1 X147.00 Y584.00 Z67.00 ; I think this is necessary ; G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ? G54 ; select coordinate system 1 ; M106 S0.50 ; not relevant for my CNC M106 P0 S0.50 ; turns user-configured fan on (I've got a case fan configured) ; M116 ; not relevant for CNC ; G92 E0.00000 ; not relevant for CNC ; M83 ; not relevant for CNC ? M486 S-1 ; not relevant for CNC ? G17 ; not sure if this is relevant for CNC - it's not in the config.g file M23 "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" M26 S249 ; set file offset from the start of the interrupted file G0 F6000 Z68.000 ; rapid move to above saved Z height G0 F6000 X182.895 Y658.930 ; rapid move to saved XY axes G0 F6000 Z66.000 ; reaped move to saved Z height ? G1 F2500.0 P0 ; controlled linear move relating to output pins G21 ; sets units to mm M24 ; start/resume SD print
Before the power failure happens, I know where the spindle information is held, as I use that in my pause.g (which includes a test M28/M29 script) and resume.g files. These may help, so I've added them below...
; pause.g M28 savedCNC.g echo "Duet and RepRap are fantastic" M29 set global.savedSpindleSpeed = spindles[0].active ; sets the global variable echo "Spindle speed saved at " ^ {global.savedSpindleSpeed} ^ "RPM" ; shows saved spindle speed in the Console G1 Z{max(move.axes[2].userPosition+5,move.axes[2].max-5)} F2400 ; move the Z axis to a safe height G0 X273.5 Y560 ; move XY to a safe place M5 ; turn the spindle off
; resume.g if state.currentTool =-1 echo "No tool active. Selecting tool zero" T0 ; select tool zero if state.currentTool >= 0 echo "Spindle state on tool ", state.currentTool, " is ", spindles[state.currentTool].state if {state.currentTool >= 0} & {tools[state.currentTool].spindleRpm >= 0} M3 S{global.savedSpindleSpeed} ; resume saved spindle speed G4 S1 ; wait 1 second to allow the spindle to spin up echo "Spindle speed resumed at " ^ {global.savedSpindleSpeed} ^ "RPM" ; this should show the setting was successful G0 R1 X0 Y0 ; move X and Y back to saved work XY location G1 R1 Z0 F240 ; move Z slowly down to saved work Z location
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@nightowl999 Some remarks to your resurrect.g:
G60 S1
- this saves the current coordinate values in the memory slot which is later referred to fromM24
(resume print). For this to work, the coordinates must have been set before. That’s theG92
line, in front ofG60
.M486 S-1
- the context is object cancellation, but I don’t quite understand the meaning. In my resurrect.g, the parameter was T-1, which is not documented but could have meant something like „don’t cancel objects“.G1 F2500.0 P0
- this one sets the feed rate, but the P0 is special - from the GCode Reference: „Pnnnn (supported only in some builds of RepRapFirmware)“. I once figured out the port bits (IOBITS), but I have no guess whether P0 is used by our RRF or simply ignored.
All of the other entries have a potential meaning with 3D printers, depending on the setup, but I have not the faintest idea which entries you really need for your mill: do you heat a nozzle, use multiple coordinate systems or do you extrude something? OK, just see your latest post - I’ll go through that in a minute … [contemplating] …
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@nightowl999 After some contemplation, I commented your commented resurrect.g:
; File "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" resume print after power failure at 2022-05-29 16:49 G21 ; sets units to mm ; >>> These two lines belong together and prepare the latter use of M24 G92 X182.895 Y658.930 Z66.000 ; sets the position for X, Y and Z G60 S1 ; I think a user-defined save slot can be 0, 3, 4 or 5 (0 is default) ? T-1 P0 ; I'm not sure why the tool is deselected ; >>> ALL tools are deselected or, in a sense, deactivated. I’m not sure, but I think that in CNC mode, this would prevent any motorized tool from spinning? Assuming this data has been saved in the state.restorePoints nodes... T0 ; select the last tool used - this should be stored in the relevant state.restorePoints[*].toolNumber Set savedSpindleSpeed ; select the last tool's spindle speed - this should be stored in the relevant state.restorePoints[0].spindleSpeeds ; >>> At the time this macro is generated, these data can directly be read from the object model - in a way, you "store" them in resurrect.g for later use M98 P"resurrect-prologue.g" ; runs the user-defined resurrect-prologue.g ; M116 ; not relevant for CNC ; M290 X0.000 Y0.000 Z0.000 R0 ; not relevant for CNC ; Workplace coordinates G10 L2 P1 X147.00 Y584.00 Z67.00 ; I think this is necessary ; >>> Yes. ; G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ; G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00 ; not relevant for CNC ? G54 ; select coordinate system 1 ; >>> Needed to activate G10 L2 P1 ; M106 S0.50 ; not relevant for my CNC M106 P0 S0.50 ; turns user-configured fan on (I've got a case fan configured) ; M116 ; not relevant for CNC ; G92 E0.00000 ; not relevant for CNC ; M83 ; not relevant for CNC ? M486 S-1 ; not relevant for CNC ; >>> Fine. One problem less :-) ? G17 ; not sure if this is relevant for CNC - it's not in the config.g file ; >>> Don’t know either - do your .gcode files contain G2 oder G3 commands? I think the larger problem is to get to know the proper command in use from the object model: G17, G18 or G19 M23 "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" M26 S249 ; set file offset from the start of the interrupted file G0 F6000 Z68.000 ; rapid move to above saved Z height G0 F6000 X182.895 Y658.930 ; rapid move to saved XY axes G0 F6000 Z66.000 ; reaped move to saved Z height ; >>> Not quite: the first G0 puts Z 2 mm above the saved height (to ensure lee-room for the following X/Y move), the third G0 goes to the bone. ; >>> That's suitable for 3D Printers, don't know how to best navigate a tool on your router .. ? G1 F2500.0 P0 ; controlled linear move relating to output pins ; >>> How can I translate "extrusion rate" into the CNC world? Are any "extruders" in use? G21 ; sets units to mm M24 ; start/resume SD print
Fine. That's less work than needed for a 3D Printer to recover properly.
In the next step, I have to figure out what trick you apply to manage your spindle. Was a good idea to add your pause/resume scripts to your post
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@infiniteloop Thank you
In response to your comments, here are mine...
Line 13 - M3 would stop the spindle spinning Line 19 - I know where they are, but at what point can the values be 'recovered' and saved Line 52 - Not in config.g, but I CAN find G3 in the toolpath (gcode) files (e.g. "G3X31.755Y28.580I3.175J0.000" from a Vectric CAD file (these are G2 - clockwise, and G3 - counterclockwise, arc movements) Line 60 - OK, understood Line 61 - I think movement is controlled by G1 X*Y*X* with speed defined with F*, e.g. G1X49.124Y56.098F3683.0 Line 64 - No, there are no extruders
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@nightowl999 OK, now I have edited (faked) a resurrect.g, easy to read as it is really short. I've reflected some of your comments…
; File "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" resume print after power failure at 2022-05-29 16:49 G21 ; sets units to mm G92 X182.895 Y658.930 Z66.000 ; sets the position for X, Y and Z G60 S1 ; save to slot 1 for latter use of M24 T-1 P0 ; this enables the macros tpreN.g and tpostN.g to be called by the following T0 T0 ; change(!) to tool T0, call the corresponding macros M3 S10000 ; set spindle speed - don’t worry, we create a macro with this line like we created HelloWorld :-) M98 P"resurrect-prologue.g" ; runs the user-defined resurrect-prologue.g G10 L2 P1 X147.00 Y584.00 Z67.00 ; restore the coordinates for coords-system #1 G54 ; select coordinate system 1 G17 ; or G18, G19 - needed for circular moves M23 "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" ; select the interrupted CNC file M26 S249 ; set file offset from the start of the interrupted file G0 F6000 Z68.000 ; rapid move to above saved Z height G0 F6000 X182.895 Y658.930 ; rapid move to saved XY axes G0 F6000 Z66.000 ; rapid move to saved Z height G21 ; sets units to mm M24 ; start/resume SD print
With the
G0
movements, formerly known as line 61, you misunderstand my concerns: It's not the syntax, but what path is safe for these head moves on a CNC? Are you fine with the movements as they are done in resurrect.g?So, your homework for now: carefully check my faked resurrect.g, especially with regard to the position of the
M3
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@nightowl999 In case you can put the
M3
before resurrect.g, the solution is pretty simple: Here is a macro which just stores the spindle speed in the file "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g", which in turn can be called from your resurrect-prologue.g. The only thing left to figure out is how to insert the call of "SaveSpindleSpeed.g" into theM911
command.; SaveSpindleSpeed.g ; Macro to store the actual spindle speed (RPM) at the time this is called ; To restore the saved datum, call the macro "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g". ; Requires RRF 3.4 and a CNC configuration with valid spindles[0] entry in the object model var fName = "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g" echo >{var.fName} "; "^var.fName echo >>{var.fName} "; Spindle speed saved from running """^{job.file.fileName}^""" CNC file" echo >>{var.fName} "" echo >>{var.fName} "M3 S"^{spindles[0].active} echo >>{var.fName} "" echo >>{var.fName} ";EOF"
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@infiniteloop said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
So, your homework for now
It's a very long time since I've had homework!
With regard to the G0 movements, I need to ask a question. If the XYZ values are saved when the power loss workflow starts (based on the M911), then these should be fine in this circumstance, but would change when overwritten by the next power loss event. Have I got that right?
It was suggested to me that the spindle should start before the axes move, as it would then cut its way through an obstruction, rather than not and end up it breaking and damaging the stock.
The most important axis save is the Z axis. With a power failure X and Y can physically stay where they are, although I appreciate their respective 3 dimensional locations must be saved as the axes must be re-homed after restarting.
Note: I get that a 3D printer should not re-lay material a second time following restart, but this is not an issue for the CNC. As the part to be cut has already been cut, it will only cut air.
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
If the XYZ values are saved when the power loss workflow starts (based on the M911), then these should be fine in this circumstance, but would change when overwritten by the next power loss event. Have I got that right?
Perfectly!
It was suggested to me that the spindle should start before the axes move
Fine, than you can try my latest macro
The most important axis save is the Z axis. With a power failure X and Y can physically stay where they are, although I appreciate their respective 3 dimensional locations must be saved as the axes must be re-homed after restarting.
Yeah, I ask because, with 3D printers, all X/Y moves above the current Z-height of the print are perfectly safe. That's what resurrect.g assumes. However, with routers, this might be different - I simply don't know that.
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I have been looking in how to insert a macro call into
M911
- alas, the reality check on my printer fails: although configured,M911
does not execute on a simulated power loss. Could you help me out with that?It's simple: out-comment the
M911
line in your config, then put something like this below:M911 S13.1 R24.0 P"M98 P""SaveSpindleSpeed.g"" M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000"
Parameters can be different on your milling machine (especially S and R of
M911
).If you have put the "SaveSpindleSpeed.g" macro into /sys before, you should find the spindle speed at power-off in the macro "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g" after you have repowered your mill.
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Just so I'm clear (sorry), do I need to run a project file and power off during that, or will the file be generated without running a project file?
Also, there isn't a file of that name in the \sys folder yet.
Also also I probably don't need to include anything after Y0 as I don't have an extruder (except perhaps the Z3?)
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Talk about slow! I'm not getting topic updates, so missed the bit about writing the macro.
I've done it now and, with the spindle running, switched off the machine at the mains, then turned it back on again.
This is the resulting SavedSpindleSpeed.g file...
; SaveSpindleSpeed.g ; Macro to store the actual spindle speed (RPM) at the time this is called ; To restore the saved datum, call the macro "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g". ; Requires RRF 3.4 and a CNC configuration with valid spindles[0] entry in the object model var fName = "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g" echo >{var.fName} "; "^var.fName echo >>{var.fName} "; Spindle speed saved from running """^{job.file.fileName}^""" CNC file" echo >>{var.fName} "" echo >>{var.fName} "M3 S"^{spindles[0].active} echo >>{var.fName} "" echo >>{var.fName} ";EOF"
I've also written a RestoreSindleSpeed.g file with just a REM line at Line 1, and this is what's in it when I run the SavedSpindleSpeed.g file...
; RestoreSpindleSpeed.g ; Spindle speed saved from running "null" CNC file M3 S0 ;EOF
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
I've also written a RestoreSindleSpeed.g file with just a REM line at Line 1.
Then, something goes wrong. The macro RestoreSpindleSpeed.g is generated by a call of SaveSpindleSpeed.g. So, if you have put SaveSpindleSpeed.g into the
M911
line in your config,g, then cut power off …
After repowering the machine, RestoreSpindleSpeed.g should be to find in your /sys folder of the SD card. Every time you see it in /sys, you can delete it right away. It is just needed until you have run your resurrect.g - which in turn calls resurrect-prologue.g, into which you - hopefully - have insert the lineM98 P"RestoreSpindleSpeed.g"
As long as no job is in progress during the power fail, you will get "null" as CNC file name, and if the spindle speed is 0, the resulting
M3 S0
is ok.I probably don't need to include anything after Y0
That's right for your router.
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@infiniteloop
So I tried to experiment a little...I ran a small gcode file which set the spindle speed to 18,000rpm then initiated a power cut.
When I ran the RestoreSpindleSpeed.g from the MDI, the spindle started up - at 18,000rpm.
This is the file:
; RestoreSpindleSpeed.g ; Spindle speed saved from running "0:/gcodes/Calibration Toolpath.gcode" CNC file M3 S18000
I've now added the M98 line to resurrect-prologue.g file, so it looks like this:
; resurrect-prologue.g M98 "RestoreSpindleSpeed.g"
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
This is the file:
That's what I've expected. The only thing I miss is my beloved ";EOF" at the end of RestoreSpindleSpeed.g
Now the big question: does this setup what you want or do you need additional functions to be restored after a power off? With the same technique, we could generate a complete replacement or a better suited version of resurrect.g.
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That's awesome, thank you
Because this is following a power failure, and from a safety perspective, there are some procedures I will need to initiate from starting up after the power failure (it's never my intention to be away from the machine while it's running, by the way).
I understand the machine must be homed, so it knows where it is, return to its last known XY location, remember what file it was running, remember where in that file it had got to, then wait for me to say OK for it to carry on. At the 'carry on' it should start the spindle and plunge slowly down to it's last known Z height then continue the project.
Simples!
I think the parameters for most of that will be in the resume.g file?
I've added the EOF line!
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@nightowl999 said in Power failure and resurrection on a CNC machine:
I think the parameters for most of that will be in the resume.g file?
That depends. Currently, your resume.g is mainly meant to be called after a pause - I doubt you want this to permanently call for permission to continue. Also, at that stage of resurrect.g, i.e. when resurrect.g calls resume.g, the spindle is already running. Nothing to dream of - you want to be asked before.
A better place to ask might be your resurrect-prologue.g. From there, you can cancel further execution of resurrect.g.
I understand the machine must be homed, so it knows where it is, return to its last known XY location, remember what file it was running, remember where in that file it had got to, then wait for me to say OK for it to carry on. At the 'carry on' it should start the spindle and plunge slowly down to it's last known Z height then continue the project.
The question here is: does resurrect.g what you want? As I said, we can insert a dialog in the prologue which then asks for permission to continue … but are you fine with the part of resurrect.g which follows on the call of the prologue?
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@infiniteloop
So it's about the event timing (I'm not sure I actually meant the resume.g file!)...On power fail, the M911 string initiates the SaveSpindleSpeed.g file which writes the RestoreSpindleSpeed.g file, taking (some) information from the active job file and elsewhere, and the default resurrect.g file is also written.
On power resume, the resurrect.g file calls the resurrect-prologue.g file, which calls the RestoreSpindleSpeed.g file to set the variables and other information ready for the specific file to continue.
It might be worth homing the machine on power resume and for it to wait there until I allow it to continue (if everything is OK, or Cancel if I need to stop the project.
Cancel will be the same as Cancel Job on the DWC.
On OK, the spindle should move to the last known XY, turn on at the saved Spindle speed, thendrop down to the last known Z height and continue on it's way.
So, in answer to your question, I think the resurrect.g file does do what I want, except for the homing sequence, which I think is necessary. I could be wrong, if all the necessary information is held in the resurrect.g file and precludes the need to home. That's what I'm not sure about.
Thank you!