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    • CCS86undefined
      CCS86
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      Running pressure advance calibrations at different printing speeds shows the need for different ideal values, based on speed.

      I haven't done enough testing yet to see what the shape of the speed vs PA curve is, but I think even a linear lookup would be an improvement over a single static value.

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      • o_lampeundefined
        o_lampe @CCS86
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        @CCS86
        Why is speed the most important factor? Isn't it acceleration , too?

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        • CCS86undefined
          CCS86 @o_lampe
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          @o_lampe

          Speed is very important because it has a very direct impact on the flow rate / nozzle pressure required for correct extrusion.

          I haven't checked the impact acceleration has. But, the reality is that it is very uncommon to vary print move acceleration during a print. But, varied speeds are common.

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          • o_lampeundefined
            o_lampe @CCS86
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            @CCS86 said in Speed Based Pressure Advance:

            But, the reality is that it is very uncommon to vary print move acceleration during a print.

            I agree, but it should be included as a constant at least.
            AFAIK, the next FW-update come with dynamic acceleration. So, if it has an impact on PA, it gets complicated.

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            • CCS86undefined
              CCS86 @o_lampe
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              @o_lampe said in Speed Based Pressure Advance:

              @CCS86 said in Speed Based Pressure Advance:

              But, the reality is that it is very uncommon to vary print move acceleration during a print.

              I agree, but it should be included as a constant at least.
              AFAIK, the next FW-update come with dynamic acceleration. So, if it has an impact on PA, it gets complicated.

              If you think there is a relationship between PA value and acceleration, why don't you test it?

              Each variable added makes everything more complicated and time consuming to develop and for every user to test and quantify. You can't justify that without proof of a real need. I have tested a range of speeds and can provide that data. Others have found the same.

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              • OwenDundefined
                OwenD @CCS86
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                @CCS86
                Just curious...
                Do your PA tests at various speeds include the use of non linear extrusion?
                I would think that for PA to be consistent over a range of speeds that first the volume extruded would have to be consistent.

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators @CCS86
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                  @CCS86 I agree. Nonlinear pressure advance is on the list to implement when we have time.

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                  • CCS86undefined
                    CCS86 @OwenD
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                    @OwenD said in Speed Based Pressure Advance:

                    @CCS86
                    Just curious...
                    Do your PA tests at various speeds include the use of non linear extrusion?
                    I would think that for PA to be consistent over a range of speeds that first the volume extruded would have to be consistent.

                    I do not use non-linear extrusion. I tested for this and could never demonstrate the need for it within the range of volumetric flow rates that I use.

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