SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21

[Phaedrux]

The folder structure looks correct.

Can you send M22 and M21? What does it report?

Can you get a clearer photo with more of an angle of the backside where the pins are soldered?

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don
See also https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/SD_card#troubleshooting-sd-card-issues and run the tests there, when connected to the Duet via YAT over USB.
If possible, check there is nothing physically in the SD card slot, eg dust, that might be preventing contact.

We did consider getting a ten-way ribbon cable to see if that would then allow us to use the SD card slot on the PanelDue, just to get 'underway' then revert (or start) to use the web interface.

As @Phaedrux said, the configuration and web interface files need to be on an SD card that is in SD card slot on the Duet. The SD card slot on the PanelDue is only used for loading gcode files for printing.

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

Thanks to both for support.
Today I had a small win, at least the SD card is being 'seen'.

Not sure if it makes any difference but I copied the WHOLE zipped file onto the SD card and 'unzipped' on the card rather than copying the 'individual' files across. (Formated on a Chromebook, using FAT 32, default)

BTW I should have remembered that /www is the same as www cos the / is old skool DOS

results today

################
m21
SDHC card mounted in slot 0, capacity 8.23Gb
ok
m22
SD card 0 may now be removed
ok
m21
SDHC card mounted in slot 0, capacity 8.23Gb
ok
################

I managed to get the DWC operational but need to update the firmware, I'll try that later / next week as away from printer until then.

[Phaedrux]

@Bridge-Of-Don said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

need to update the firmware

Yes, your firmware version is quite old on that board. I think your best bet will be to use the USB firmware flashing method to jump straight to modern firmware. Details on how to do that can be found here: https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/Updating_firmware#fallback-procedure-2

You'll use a software called Bossa to write the new firmware directly to the board over USB.

The firmware file you'll need is here: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.5.1/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin

Once that is done you will need to manually update the web control files in the WWW folder with the matching version for the new firmware. That file can be found here: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.5.1/DuetWebControl-SD.zip

Since you didn't receive an SD card with any configuration files you'll need to go through the process of creating a set anyway. Might as well start with something modern which makes it easier to support.

You can use the online config tool to create a new config set.
https://configtool.reprapfirmware.org/

You'll need to know some details about the printer itself, which may take some investigation to suss out.

@Bridge-Of-Don said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

capacity 8.23Gb

I would suggest using a 32GB card. 8gb will be a bit tight once you start uploading print jobs.

[Bridge Of Don]

Well today a little progress, as the SD card is now visible , might have been an issue with 'debris' within the slot?

I managed to get all the zip files, but we need this 'bin' file??

Make sure you have an 'iap4e.bin' (for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet)

I had a look in the .zip file and the iap4e is not present within the zip and it is NOT listed within the assets of the version 3.5
although according to below as we are running version 2.04 (dated 2019-11-01) then the iap4e is maybe 'not suitable'?

########
The version 3.01 and later binaries are too large to be installed by the IAP program supported by version 1.x and 2.x firmware. Therefore you cannot upgrade directly from version 1.x or 2.x firmware to 3.01 or later firmware.
#########

i do get an error message from the Duet saying that "iap4e.bin" not found which suggest that it is attempting to re-programme

In a fit of desperation did a 'Google search' and then Downloaded from an 'old location'
this might be useful for others?

https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?416,741892

results from latest effort, so it would appear to NOT have updated?

#############
M21
SDHC card mounted in slot 0, capacity 31.30Gb
ok
M997 S0
WiFi module is connected to access point TNCAPA10132, IP address 192.168.1
M115
FIRMWARE_NAME: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet FIRMWARE_VERSION: 2.04 ELECTRONICS: Duet WiFi 1.02 or later FIRMWARE_DATE: 2019-11-01b1
ok

We have successfully upgraded the WiFi as below

Warning:WiFi module is connected to access point TNCAPA10132, IP address 192.168.1
M997 S1
Trying to connect at 230400 baud: success
Erasing 4096 bytes...
Erasing 626688 bytes...
Uploading file...
5% complete
.
.
.
.
Upload successful
ok
WiFi module started
####################

It would appear that we have WiFi working but still not connecting using the DWC, although it 'suggests' that the firmware has been updated?

##############

M997 S0
WiFi module started
WiFi module is connected to access point TNCAPA10132, IP address 192.168.1.
m115
FIRMWARE_NAME: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet FIRMWARE_VERSION: 2.04 ELECTRONICS: Duet WiFi 1.02 or later FIRMWARE_DATE: 2019-11-01b1
ok
m997 S0
Shutting down USB interface to update main firmware. Try reconnecting after 30 seconds.
WiFi module started
WiFi module is connected to access point TNCAPA10132, IP address 192.168.1.173

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don The IAP file is the In-App Programmer; basically a program that does the flashing of the firmware. "iap4e.bin" wasn't included in the 2.04 release for some reason lost to the mists of time, so you need to use the one from 2.03. Get it from https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/tag/2.03 and copy it into your system folder. Then you should be able to update to RRF 3.0 using M997 S0 (I think the RRF 3.0 binary is already in your sys folder).

I think DWC has already been updated to the 3.0 version, which is probably why RRF 2.04 can't connect to it.

Ian

[Phaedrux]

@Phaedrux said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

@Bridge-Of-Don said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

need to update the firmware

Yes, your firmware version is quite old on that board. I think your best bet will be to use the USB firmware flashing method to jump straight to modern firmware. Details on how to do that can be found here: https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/Updating_firmware#fallback-procedure-2

You'll use a software called Bossa to write the new firmware directly to the board over USB.

The firmware file you'll need is here: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.5.1/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin

Once that is done you will need to manually update the web control files in the WWW folder with the matching version for the new firmware. That file can be found here: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.5.1/DuetWebControl-SD.zip

Since you didn't receive an SD card with any configuration files you'll need to go through the process of creating a set anyway. Might as well start with something modern which makes it easier to support.

You can use the online config tool to create a new config set.
https://configtool.reprapfirmware.org/

You'll need to know some details about the printer itself, which may take some investigation to suss out.

@Bridge-Of-Don said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

capacity 8.23Gb

I would suggest using a 32GB card. 8gb will be a bit tight once you start uploading print jobs.

This is why I suggested flashing the firmware directly with the Bossa software oer USB and gave directions on how to get DWC going.

[Bridge Of Don]

@Phaedrux said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

This is why I suggested flashing the firmware directly with the Bossa software over USB and gave directions on how to get DWC going.

Aye, but I'm trying 'not' to get too bogged down with multiple programmes and downloads and we did have YAT working so I thought worth a try?

@droftarts
Thanks I'll have a wee bash at this then if it doesn't work then I'll revert to the BOSSA, although i did find iap4e.bin , but maybe still a conflict with various versions knocking around.

The 'web server' update took a few minutes although the 'shutting down USB' message came back without a progress report ie 5, 10, 15% etc so I really wasn't convinced it had worked

and we might even get the printer to move under it's own power (before Summer Holidays)

Alan

[Bridge Of Don]

@Bridge-Of-Don
We have tried to use BOSSA but cannot connect via ANY of the COM ports , although both ports are 'seen' by YAT.

Also we can 'see ' the ports when in device manager

The erase button did have an effect, but still not sufficient to get the COM ports to be visible, any suggestions are welcome!

Our WiFi module seems to have connection to our router, but maybe an issue

Is the issue with the WiFi firmware? as it seems to be 'not connecting to Duet Web Server'

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don Did you install the Duet driver? See https://docs.duet3d.com/en/How_to_guides/Getting_connected/Getting_connected_to_your_Duet#install-drivers
Also see https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Troubleshooting/Duet_wont_respond#connect-to-a-pc-via-usb-and-look-for-the-port

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

@droftarts said in SD Card 'Cnnot Initialise SD' / Error M21:

@Bridge-Of-Don Did you install the Duet driver? See https://docs.duet3d.com/en/How_to_guides/Getting_connected/Getting_connected_to_your_Duet#install-drivers
Also see https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Troubleshooting/Duet_wont_respond#connect-to-a-pc-via-usb-and-look-for-the-port

Ian

Ian
Aghhhhhhhhhh !

no we didn't (well I didn't) as I wrongly assumed that as the YAT was happy to connect then we didn't need any 'bespoke' drivers? ? ?

Hopefully this is the 'simple missing piece' to get BOSSA working so we can force it upgrade onto the main chip.

I might also try and load the firmware using the M997 command as I did get a 'little lost' today as I was trying various permutations, I now know correct location that the 'Firmware.bin file needs to be as we deleted it and it came back with an error message and so we put it back (can't recall if we put it back into sys) I'm pretty sure though that as there was version 2.04 we cannot 'upgrade' BUT as I've pressed 'erase' maybe nothing there!!

Alan

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don With the firmware erased, you can't connect via YAT to send M997, because... there's no firmware!

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

@droftarts
Yes that would be correct although after an 'erase' I could still get the WEB interface to be reloaded using M997 S1, maybe the erase only wipes the 'firmware'?

WEEL, I'd call this a minor WIN ,

m122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.5.1 (2024-04-19 14:40:46) running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
Board ID: 08DGM-95BNL-MGPSN-6J9F6-3S46R-TJWZW
Used output buffers: 1 of 26 (1 max)
=== RTOS ===
Static ram: 23256
Dynamic ram: 72612 of which 0 recycled
Never used RAM 17276, free system stack 188 words
Tasks: NETWORK(1,ready,13.4%,416) HEAT(3,nWait 5,0.0%,330) Move(4,nWait 5,0.0%,359) MAIN(1,running,85.6%,767) IDLE(0,ready,1.0%,29), total 100.0%
Owned mutexes: USB(MAIN)
=== Platform ===
Last reset 00:01:35 ago, cause: power up
Last software reset details not available
Error status: 0x00
MCU temperature: min 28.5, current 33.1, max 33.5
Supply voltage: min 0.0, current 0.6, max 0.8, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: no
Heap OK, handles allocated/used 0/0, heap memory allocated/used/recyclable 0/0/0, gc cycles 0
Events: 0 queued, 0 completed
Driver 0: ok, SG min n/a
Driver 1: ok, SG min n/a
Driver 2: ok, SG min n/a
Driver 3: ok, SG min n/a
Driver 4: ok, SG min n/a
Driver 5:
Driver 6:
Driver 7:
Driver 8:
Driver 9:
Driver 10:
Driver 11:
Date/time: 1970-01-01 00:00:00
Cache data hit count 4170241079
Slowest loop: 1.74ms; fastest: 0.13ms
I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
=== Storage ===
Free file entries: 10
SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
SD card longest read time 0.5ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
=== Move ===
DMs created 83, segments created 0, maxWait 0ms, bed compensation in use: none, height map offset 0.000, max steps late 0, min interval 0, bad calcs 0, ebfmin 0.00, ebfmax 0.00
no step interrupt scheduled
Moves shaped first try 0, on retry 0, too short 0, wrong shape 0, maybepossible 0
=== DDARing 0 ===
Scheduled moves 0, completed 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
=== Heat ===
Bed heaters 0 -1 -1 -1, chamber heaters -1 -1 -1 -1, ordering errs 0
=== GCodes ===
Movement locks held by null
HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
File is idle in state(s) 0
USB is ready with "m122" in state(s) 0
Aux is idle in state(s) 0
Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
Queue is idle in state(s) 0
LCD is idle in state(s) 0
Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
Q0 segments left 0
Code queue 0 is empty
=== Network ===
Slowest loop: 2.62ms; fastest: 0.00ms
Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0)
HTTP sessions: 0 of 8
=== WiFi ===
Interface state: active
Module is connected to access point
Failed messages: pending 0, notrdy 0, noresp 0
Firmware version 2.1.0
MAC address 2c:3a:e8:0b:2b:ad
Module reset reason: Turned on by main processor, Vcc 3.36, flash size 4194304, free heap 46336
WiFi IP address 192.168.1.
Signal strength -42dBm, channel 11, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0
Clock register 00002002
Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
ok
Alan

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don If Windows device manager is showing it as a 'Duet 2 WiFi or Duet 2 Ethernet ...', the firmware has not been erased, and Bossa can't connect to it. If the firmware has been erased, it should show as something like 'Bossa programming port'.

If you erase the firmware and put the latest on it, you'll have to manually update the SD card by hand to put the correct version of DWC on it. I think as you have firmware on the board, the SD card is working, and it's connected to WiFi, you should be able to connect to DWC, IF it's the version that works with RRF 2.04.

What response do you get if you type the IP address into a browser? ie something like 192.168.1.173 (this is from an earlier post, your last M122 I think you edited the IP address to 192.168.1. nnn)?

I'm not sure what version of DWC you have on the SD card. Edit the SD card, deleting (or renaming) the 'www' folder. Create a new 'www' folder, download "DuetWebControl-SD-2.04.zip" from https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/tag/2.04 and unzip it into the www folder.

Make sure the "iap4e.bin" file is in the sys folder too. If not, get it from https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/tag/2.03

Then check you can connect to DWC. You should then be able to follow the 'usual' upgrade path, upgrading in DWC, see https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/Updating_firmware#updating-from-older-firmware-versions
Update it the order RRF v2.04 to RRF v2.05.1 to RRF v3.0 to RRF v3.3 to the latest stable release. Note that going from RRF 2 to RRF 3 requires substantial changes to config.g and other files, or to recreate the configuration files with the config tool.

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

lan

Many thanks for ALL the help.

I managed to flash the firmware to version 3.5, not sure why previous attempts failed? maybe didn't wait long enough or turn off/on in correct sequence etc?

Stopped BOSSA, started YAT and sent m122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.5.1 (2024-04-19 14:40:46) running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
Board ID: 08DGM-95BNL-MGPSN-6J9F6-3S46R-TJWZW

Then tried DWC

So progress, I'm tempted to go and celebrate and call it quits for today?

Alan

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don Great! But it may be using an old version of DWC? Check what versions are used in DWC by going to Settings > General and/or Settings > Machine specific.

The missing macros folder message is just that. There should be a number of folders by default. They are listed here: https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/SD_card#sd-card-structure

If the folders are missing, they should be created automatically when needed, ie you create a macro, it will create the folder. Same for filaments. If you upload gcode, it should create that folder too.

What does the config.g currently look like?

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

@droftarts
Ian
I have NOT really set up any 'proper' config file as I have no real idea of what settings should be!!

I know that things are wrong as 'plus X' moves the head left, same for 'plus Y'.

The Z control as when I home X & Y the Z moves!!

the 'limit stops / micro switches' are (in my opinion wired to the wrong places)

I'll need to find out what he settings should be, seems like a task for another day?

Were these things built from a kit or 'plans'?

Alan

[droftarts]

@Bridge-Of-Don That looks like a modified TronXY X5S, like I have (mine is not modified... yet)!

Maybe start a new thread for the configuration of it. I'm happy to share my config, though I have a Duet 3 Roto toolboard on mine. (Picture below is from before I put the Roto on.)

Ian

[Bridge Of Don]

Ian

Aye I will start a whole new thread and might well take you up on your offer of the CONFIG file at least it is a starting point

Ours is a little bit of a 'rat's nest' of wiring . . ..

Not today's task..

Alan