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Setting up Cartesian Printer.

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    Dougal1957
    last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 12:47

    Lykle

    Unfortunately not Deckingman has that honour (I'll him admit to how much lol)

    AS for multi extruders they have supported them for ages just not the easiest thing to get your head arround the main issue here is the Firmware Retraction that is essential for mixing hotends such as the Diamond?

    Doug

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      deckingman
      last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:32

      @Dougal1957:

      Lykle

      Unfortunately not Deckingman has that honour (I'll him admit to how much lol)

      Doug

      I was born in year of our present queen's coronation.

      Ian.

      P.S. If you bothered to check when that was, you should be ashamed of yourself for not having anything better to do.

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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        Dougal1957
        last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:36

        I know when it was Ian but Lykle is a dutchman in Cyprus LOL. and for his benefit it was 1953.

        Doug

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          dc42 administrators
          last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:47

          Perhaps we should start a club for Over 60's 3D printing enthusiasts? I'd be eligible too!

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            Dougal1957
            last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:50

            Well you would have to wait a few months till I'm Eligible David (Mar 2017 for me).

            Doug

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              iDevelo
              last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 15:19

              OMG - old farts club!

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                deckingman
                last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:11

                @iDevelo:

                OMG - old farts club!

                No flatulence problem here son.

                Ian
                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                  deckingman
                  last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:12

                  @dc42:

                  Perhaps we should start a club for Over 60's 3D printing enthusiasts? I'd be eligible too!

                  Good idea. Will that mean concessions get a discount on Duet products?

                  Ian
                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    iDevelo
                    last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:16

                    @deckingman:

                    @iDevelo:

                    OMG - old farts club!

                    No flatulence problem here son.

                    🙂

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                      Corexy
                      last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 04:23

                      Steady on….I'm 47...which my sons assure me qualifies my entry into any old farts clubs.

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                        deckingman
                        last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:15

                        @Corexy:

                        Steady on….I'm 47...which my sons assure me qualifies my entry into any old farts clubs.

                        Nah, your just a young slip of a lad.

                        Ian
                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                          Dougal1957
                          last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:26

                          Still think we should push for an Age Concession Ian? (Very tongue in cheek LOL)

                          Doug

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                            Corexy
                            last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:50

                            So I'm trying to dial in my extrusion properly.

                            I've done the 100mm extrusion and am getting a constant and repeatable 120steps/mm for my extruder motor. Quite confident that is set correctly.

                            My understanding is that once that is done, I need to measure the diameter and work out my extrusion multiplier for each different type of filament I use, and enter the value into my slicer (S3D in this case).

                            I've entered the filament diameter (1.714mm, averaged over 5 points) and printed a single walled hollow test cube in 0.1mm layer height to measure the real wall thickness, which was set on manual 0.48mm.

                            Came out very nice, but is 0.55mm thick.

                            Is that excessive? How do I calculate my extrusion multiplier setting? It's set a 1.0 at the moment.

                            If I divide the difference (0.07mm) into 0.48, I get 6.86.

                            So do I just set my multiplier at 0.9314 and try it again?

                            Does this setting work over all layer heights?

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                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 08:20

                              I don't bother measuring the filament. I just put 1.75mm and extrusion multiplier 1.0 into the slicer, do a test print, and adjust the extrusion factor in the slider on the web interface to get good top solid infill. Then I make a note of the extrusion percentage shown in the slider, and use that value in future for that roll of filament. Ignore the single-wall thickness, it isn't a good test.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                Corexy
                                last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 07:22

                                @dc42:

                                I don't bother measuring the filament. I just put 1.75mm and extrusion multiplier 1.0 into the slicer, do a test print, and adjust the extrusion factor in the slider on the web interface to get good top solid infill. Then I make a note of the extrusion percentage shown in the slider, and use that value in future for that roll of filament. Ignore the single-wall thickness, it isn't a good test.

                                So I tried this and got these results.

                                I did still have my own filament diameter entered, forgot to reset it to 1.75mm, but used the extrusion bar on the DWC to make adjustments on the fly.

                                Percentages are written on them, which do you all like?

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                                  deckingman
                                  last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 09:39

                                  Personally, not terribly keen on any of them. Just for the hell of it, try dropping the extrusion in 5% increments until you get obvious under extrusion and see how the finish looks. This is the subject of another thread I've started but for some as yet unexplained reason, I'm getting best results using 70% extrusion with everything calibrated and triple checked. (Yeh, weird I know).

                                  Ian
                                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                    Corexy
                                    last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 09:44

                                    @deckingman:

                                    Personally, not terribly keen on any of them. Just for the hell of it, try dropping the extrusion in 5% increments until you get obvious under extrusion and see how the finish looks. This is the subject of another thread I've started but for some as yet unexplained reason, I'm getting best results using 70% extrusion with everything calibrated and triple checked. (Yeh, weird I know).

                                    So these are all over extruded?? Definitely don't want to go higher than 100%?

                                    Funnily enough the ABS setting was definitely under extruded at 90%

                                    I probably was going a bit soft on the increments at 2% change per time, I'll try it a 5% changes.

                                    Your end of print script worked nicely by the way, cheers for that.

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                                      deckingman
                                      last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 09:51

                                      It may be OK - just try what I suggested for the hell of it - it worked for me but nobody has as yet come up with an explanation as to why I need to run like this..

                                      Ian
                                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                        deckingman
                                        last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 12:16

                                        For info, here is what I get https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_MwtHtQR_ZveVpCazlzbjRsQlk?usp=sharing with extrusion at 70%.

                                        Ian
                                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                          Corexy
                                          last edited by 31 Oct 2016, 07:31

                                          I'll take my extrusion multiplier results over to Deckingham's post, because I'm getting similar results.

                                          Regarding ending script, this is working well for me, bearing in mind I home all axis' in the start script:

                                          G90
                                          G1 Z175 F360
                                          G90
                                          G1 X5 Y190 F800
                                          M104 S0 ; turn off extruder
                                          M140 S0 ; turn off bed
                                          M84 ; disable motors

                                          I'd just like to shut down the print fans on completion as they're pretty noisy.

                                          The heat break fan shut's down when the extruder temp drops below 45 degC, and I'd like to keep it that way.

                                          Could someone please help me out with a line of script to add to that that will shut down the slicer controlled print fan?

                                          **I've gone with "M106 P0 S0 ; turn off print fans", please correct me if I'm wrong.

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