Duet3D Logo Duet3D
    • Tags
    • Documentation
    • Order
    • Register
    • Login

    Extruder skips mid print randomly/Infill pattern problem

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved
    Tuning and tweaking
    9
    53
    7.4k
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by

      Could it be a temperature calibration issue? For a given indicated temperature, the actual temperature may have been higher on your RUMBA setup than it is on the Duet. So you might be extruding at a lower temperature than before, resulting in more back pressure from the hot end.

      Have you configured the correct thermistor parameters in the M305 P1 command in config.g?

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • Saltlife716undefined
        Saltlife716
        last edited by

        I've used temps for this spool of PLA from 190 to 210 with the same results.

        I have run a M303 H1 S240 twice, once before i hooked anything up to the hotend (just bought it a couple weeks ago), and once with filament through it, fan on, and sock on

        BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
        Duet Wifi
        E3D v6 0.20mm
        FSR autoleveling

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • Saltlife716undefined
          Saltlife716
          last edited by

          Hmm.. I just ran it again and now all of a sudden it says

          Warning: Heater 1 appears to be over-powered. If Left on at full power, it's temperature is predicted to reach 447C.
          Auto tune heater 1 completed in 355 sec
          Use M307 H1 to see the result, or M500 to save the result in config-override.g

          I was staring at the temp for like 90% of the test, the highest it got was 248, and it didn't send that message until it said it was completed. Even then it was cooled down to around 140 when that message got sent.

          BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
          Duet Wifi
          E3D v6 0.20mm
          FSR autoleveling

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • Saltlife716undefined
            Saltlife716
            last edited by

            You can see the temp, the graph, and the times. It just doesn't make sense.

            BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
            Duet Wifi
            E3D v6 0.20mm
            FSR autoleveling

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • dc42undefined
              dc42 administrators
              last edited by

              What do you think doesn't make sense? That message is produced when the firmware has calculated the heating parameters, which it can't do until it has measured the cooling rate. It's common to see that message ever since E3D introduced the silicone socks.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • Saltlife716undefined
                Saltlife716
                last edited by

                @dc42:

                What do you think doesn't make sense? That message is produced when the firmware has calculated the heating parameters, which it can't do until it has measured the cooling rate. It's common to see that message ever since E3D introduced the silicone socks.

                Oh, I didn't know. Just didn't know if I should save it since it was saying 440c.

                BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                Duet Wifi
                E3D v6 0.20mm
                FSR autoleveling

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • Martin_Sundefined
                  Martin_S
                  last edited by

                  And how about the bowden path? If you feed it by hand, do you find any resistance?
                  I once had a filament that was just a bit thicker and it got stuck inside the bowden tube.

                  If it ain't broke, fix it till it is =)

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Saltlife716undefined
                    Saltlife716
                    last edited by

                    So should I save the M303 results even thou it says something about 400c?

                    BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                    Duet Wifi
                    E3D v6 0.20mm
                    FSR autoleveling

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • Saltlife716undefined
                      Saltlife716
                      last edited by

                      @Martin_S:

                      And how about the bowden path? If you feed it by hand, do you find any resistance?
                      I once had a filament that was just a bit thicker and it got stuck inside the bowden tube.

                      Nah no resistance when I push it through. The tube itself is maybe 2 weeks old.

                      BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                      Duet Wifi
                      E3D v6 0.20mm
                      FSR autoleveling

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • Saltlife716undefined
                        Saltlife716
                        last edited by

                        I have checked and calibrated extruder steps and current.
                        I swapped stepper drivers.
                        I changed stepper motor wiring.

                        About to put it my previous hotend and see if I get the same issue…

                        BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                        Duet Wifi
                        E3D v6 0.20mm
                        FSR autoleveling

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • Saltlife716undefined
                          Saltlife716
                          last edited by

                          @BDubs:

                          What happens when you jack the current up to like 1.2 or 1.4A ?

                          Going from 800 to 850 is like nothing…50mA is nothing to these motors.

                          When i bring it to 1.4A, it acts the same.

                          BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                          Duet Wifi
                          E3D v6 0.20mm
                          FSR autoleveling

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Saltlife716undefined
                            Saltlife716
                            last edited by

                            I put my previous E3D v6 on the printer, and the same happens

                            BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                            Duet Wifi
                            E3D v6 0.20mm
                            FSR autoleveling

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • Saltlife716undefined
                              Saltlife716
                              last edited by

                              Extruding 10mm of filament at 5mm/sec, skips the entire time

                              BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                              Duet Wifi
                              E3D v6 0.20mm
                              FSR autoleveling

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Trojan3Dundefined
                                Trojan3D
                                last edited by

                                Hi Saltlife,
                                From what I can see, the temperature is one of the issues, so you should just raise up to 220 degrees minimum if not 230!
                                Your extruder is fine printing the skirt because S3D give usually less plastic during the process.
                                The temperatures reading change every time from a board to another, it doesn't mean that Duet is wrong, you should try to point an IR probe to the heater and see what is really going on near the nozzle.
                                Your extruder shouldn't skip steps as in the video, should grind the filament instead, so, I would raise the current to a decent amount and then step back until the motor is running fairly warm if you don't know the motor technical details.
                                The motor is not retracting, is just the effect of the stall, the filament act as a spring as your is a Bowden and the pressure is just doing that because the moment your motor stall, the rotor has no more torque and become loose.

                                My 2 cents
                                Regards

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • Saltlife716undefined
                                  Saltlife716
                                  last edited by

                                  @Trojan3D:

                                  Hi Saltlife,
                                  From what I can see, the temperature is one of the issues, so you should just raise up to 220 degrees minimum if not 230!
                                  Your extruder is fine printing the skirt because S3D give usually less plastic during the process.
                                  The temperatures reading change every time from a board to another, it doesn't mean that Duet is wrong, you should try to point an IR probe to the heater and see what is really going on near the nozzle.
                                  Your extruder shouldn't skip steps as in the video, should grind the filament instead, so, I would raise the current to a decent amount and then step back until the motor is running fairly warm if you don't know the motor technical details.
                                  The motor is not retracting, is just the effect of the stall, the filament act as a spring as your is a Bowden and the pressure is just doing that because the moment your motor stall, the rotor has no more torque and become loose.

                                  My 2 cents
                                  Regards

                                  I will try raising the temp to 220 when I get home and see if that works. Thanks.

                                  BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                                  Duet Wifi
                                  E3D v6 0.20mm
                                  FSR autoleveling

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                    T3P3Tony administrators
                                    last edited by

                                    @Saltlife716:

                                    So should I save the M303 results even thou it says something about 400c?

                                    Just to clarify this message means that if the heater cartridge is allowed to draw full power, with no control, it could reach about 440C. This is not a configured parameter its a warning generated to make you aware that the max temperature if the control fails could get to a dangerous level. This is not control electronics specific but dependent on the heater cartridge, your power supply voltage, and the cooling rate of the heatblock (which is changed by having a silicone sock on it).

                                    So yes you should save the results using M303, and also be aware that an electronics failure could lead to a very hot hotend!

                                    www.duet3d.com

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by

                                      Actually 440C is not nearly as hot as I sometimes hear reported, in particular nowhere near hot enough to melt the aluminium.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Saltlife716undefined
                                        Saltlife716
                                        last edited by

                                        Ok I'll redo the PID test and save it then. But guys.. Listen to this. Trojan3D was on point with the hotend temp…

                                        I ended up buying a brand new spool of Hatchbox filament, loaded it up, set temp to 200c. It worked PERFECTLY... Put in the old filament at 200c, then I got the same problem, brought the temp up to 220, and it started printing perfectly...

                                        So my problem was, for some reason, this PLA (and other PLA of same brand) needed to be at 220c in order to print correctly..

                                        BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                                        Duet Wifi
                                        E3D v6 0.20mm
                                        FSR autoleveling

                                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • Saltlife716undefined
                                          Saltlife716
                                          last edited by

                                          And yes all of my filament rolls are in individual 2 gallon ziplocs bags with the "keep dry" packs in them.

                                          BI v2\. 5 Heavily modded
                                          Duet Wifi
                                          E3D v6 0.20mm
                                          FSR autoleveling

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • Trojan3Dundefined
                                            Trojan3D
                                            last edited by

                                            Heiii,
                                            Glad it worked at the end,
                                            So all good, that´s what matter!!
                                            Regards
                                            Emanuel

                                            PS. how can i post some pictures here?
                                            thanks

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Unless otherwise noted, all forum content is licensed under CC-BY-SA