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    • Woelkchenundefined
      Woelkchen
      last edited by

      Good evening,

      I am currently upgrading my Renkforce 2000. The printer is powered by a new power supply (RST-5000-24 Mean Well) and the Duet Ethernet. Now I would like connect the heating bed and the Duet with a SSR. However, I'm not sure what kind of SSR I exactly need. The new power supply has an output of 24 V / DC.

      The original power supply of the Renkforce has the following specificatons:
      -input volatge: 85 - 265 V/AC, 120 - 370 V/DC

      • output voltage: 24 V/DC

      Therfore, I would think that the heat bed is designed for 24 V / DC. However, 230V is shown on the bottom of the heat bed (see picture below)

      0_1535042534271_IMG_20180823_181228.png

      Now, I'm a little bit confused. Can somebody help me please? 🙂

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      • A Former User?
        A Former User
        last edited by

        A little bit of research and background reading goes a long way SSR and heated beds

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt
          last edited by

          Hi,

          Well it seems clear that your heater is rated for 230 volts. It will work at a 110/120 but it would then be considered a 225 watt heater (more or less) .

          SSRs have a rating for the input signal that controls them, usually a range of voltage such as 5 to 35 volts (DC) - just made those numbers up, not suggesting that is what you must have. But you will need an SSR that can handle 24 volts (DC). A higher rating is fine.

          SSRs also have a rating for the load they can control. If you search Amazon you will see that again you likely have a range of voltage and a maximum current.

          Consider this unit:

          https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DE2RNCE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

          You should be able to see from the printing on the device that the input is rated from 3 to 32 volts (DC as indicated by the straight/dashed lines) so that would be fine with a 24 volts system.

          You should also see that the output is rated at 240 volts (the ~ character means AC) and 25 amps.

          Given the markings on your heater powering it from 230 volts (AC) would draw appx 2 amps. You can calculate that by dividing the wattage rating by the applied voltage (450 / 250 ).

          So the SSR I referenced would be fine for that.

          Hope that is enough to get you started.

          Frederick

          Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          • sigxcpuundefined
            sigxcpu
            last edited by

            It will actually have 100ish W at 110.

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            • fcwiltundefined
              fcwilt @sigxcpu
              last edited by

              @sigxcpu said in Connecting a SSR between Duet and heated bed:

              It will actually have 100ish W at 110.

              Right you are - I should learn to never do math in a hurry.

              Frederick

              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
                last edited by

                See https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_a_bed_heater#Section_Mains_voltage_AC_bed_heater.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                • Woelkchenundefined
                  Woelkchen
                  last edited by

                  Hey,

                  can someone tell me, if this wiring diagram for the SSR is right?

                  0_1535456819648_SSR_Heatbed.png

                  The power supply and the SSR are the one which I'm using.

                  I found this diagram on google: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/aJ_yCfp-3W20019wH7vZYGCzsmyo1LDV_nBlZVrClyLhURl64LqPUWeGi6pOEmMlzQ=w5000-h5000

                  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

                  Thank you

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                  • deckingmanundefined
                    deckingman @Woelkchen
                    last edited by

                    @woelkchen That's I have mine wired. You might want to add a thermal fuse is the only other comment I'd make.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    • nhofundefined
                      nhof
                      last edited by

                      Just want to say that the Crydom SSR which fcwit recommended should be good.

                      Please stay away from the Fotek ones, they have a poor reputation.

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators
                        last edited by

                        Genuine Fotek DC-AC SSRs are probably OK, but there are a lot of fakes around.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        • Danalundefined
                          Danal @Woelkchen
                          last edited by

                          @woelkchen said in Connecting a SSR between Duet and heated bed:

                          Hey,

                          can someone tell me, if this wiring diagram for the SSR is right?

                          I have a 110V (USA) heater that is 600MM in diameter (24 inches) wired exactly as you show. Draws about 13 or 14 amps, using a 40 amp rated SSR with no heatsink. Hundreds of hours, no problems.

                          GROUND (EARTH) YOUR FRAME. With high quality connections. Please.

                          Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                          • LHelgeundefined
                            LHelge
                            last edited by

                            A few safetytips in addition to the ones mentioned above:

                            • Add a fuse with an appropriate rating on 230 V input. I use a separate fuse for the PSU and the bed, but that's not necessary. In my case the bed is at almost 1 kW, and the PSU on 200W and a single fuse would allow quite a lot of extra power to the PSU if the bed isn't active
                            • As Danal said, connect your frame to protective earth, but also the buildplate if that's conductive.
                            • Add a temperature switch to your buildplate. I use one rated at 130 deg C, which will protect me in case the SSR fails in shorted mode.
                            • Use the printer from an outlet protected by a RCD.
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