PID Tuning Number of Cycles

Phaedrux

If the results are the same you could experiment with reducing the dead time. It's at 1.1 in the value you provided. Try 2. I think that may help smooth out the waves.

GeorgeM

Well I went through a number of tunings today. I have to set the PWM to .7 or lower to get rid of any waves. Also I decided to use the M500 command and use the config-override.g file to eliminate any transcribing errors to the config.g.

Phaedrux

What is the heater cartridge?

GeorgeM

@phaedrux 24v E3d

Phaedrux

What wattage?

T3P3Tony

@GeorgeM I note that you have "D10" as part of the M307 command. is that what M303 gave you as an output?

Also check you config-override.g to see if there is not a different M307 in there

(note edited as I highlighed B0 instead of D10 originally)

GeorgeM

@t3p3tony I dont remember now if that was from the M307 command or from the documentation.

GeorgeM

@phaedrux Don't know. How/where would I find that?

T3P3Tony

@GeorgeM please run M303 again and post the results
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M303_Run_heater_tuning

You should read the documentation here that was linked already:
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control

~~It looks form the original M307 you posted that the tuning value is not what you had configured~~

GeorgeM

@t3p3tony I'm not home currently. Will redo tomorrow.

GeorgeM

@T3P3Tony Ok, I'm back at it again. It looks like things have gotten confusing so I would like to step back and iterate what my setup is.

My printer is a BLV Cube build ala https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3382718

Equipment is:
24v power supply
Duet 2 WiFi
Zesty Nimble extruder
Genuine E3D V6 All Metal Hotend with 24v heater (measures 14.4 on resistance)

Tests conducted with silicone sock on and parts fan on.

First test with PWM at 1

8:07:05 AMM307 H1
Heater 1 model: gain 549.0, time constant 262.4, dead time 8.0, max PWM 1.00, calibration voltage 23.7, mode PID, inverted no, frequency default
Computed PID parameters for setpoint change: P10.7, I0.234, D59.7
Computed PID parameters for load change: P10.
8:04:31 AMWarning: Heater 1 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 573C.
Auto tune heater 1 completed in 395 sec
Use M307 H1 to see the result, or M500 to save the result in config-override.g
8:00:29 AMAuto tune phase 3, peak temperature was 259.6
8:00:21 AMAuto tune phase 2, heater off
7:58:01 AMAuto tune phase 1, heater on
7:57:55 AMM303 H1 S250 P1

Second test with PWM at .8

Heater 1 model: gain 285.7, time constant 172.4, dead time 3.9, max PWM 0.80, calibration voltage 23.8, mode PID, inverted no, frequency default
Computed PID parameters for setpoint change: P27.6, I1.066, D75.4
Computed PID parameters for load change: P27.
8:44:00 AMAuto tune heater 1 completed in 447 sec
Use M307 H1 to see the result, or M500 to save the result in config-override.g
8:41:22 AMAuto tune phase 3, peak temperature was 252.6
8:41:18 AMAuto tune phase 2, heater off
8:36:38 AMAuto tune phase 1, heater on
8:36:33 AMM303 H1 S250 P0.8
Auto tuning heater 1 using target temperature 250.0°C and PWM 0.80 - do not leave printer unattended

Third test with PWM at .7

eater 1 model: gain 234.7, time constant 160.1, dead time 6.4, max PWM 0.70, calibration voltage 23.7, mode PID, inverted no, frequency default
Computed PID parameters for setpoint change: P19.0, I0.595, D85.2
Computed PID parameters for load change: P19.
9:01:38 AMM307
9:01:12 AMM307
8:59:27 AMAuto tune heater 1 completed in 573 sec
Use M307 H1 to see the result, or M500 to save the result in config-override.g
8:56:59 AMAuto tune phase 3, peak temperature was 251.0
8:56:55 AMAuto tune phase 2, heater off
8:49:59 AMAuto tune phase 1, heater on
8:49:53 AMM303 H1 S250 P0.7
Auto tuning heater 1 using target temperature 250.0°C and PWM 0.70 - do not leave printer unattended

Only after running with the results of PWM 0.7 was the temperature stable. Others showed continuous fluctuations.

Results of each test were saved with M500.
Results are saved in config-override.g
Nothing is saved in config.g
M501 is called out at end of config.g

Here is config.g

; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.21)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2 on Wed Aug 14 2019 07:35:06 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)

; General preferences
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves

M667 S1 ; Select CoreXY mode

; Network
M550 P"BLV Cube" ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 X goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; Drive 1 Y goes backwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 Z goes backwards
M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 E1 goes forward
M569 P4 S0 ; Drive 4 U goes backward
M92 X100.54 Y100.54 Z400.21 U400.21 E2892.00 ; Set steps per mm
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M350 E16 I0 ; Configure microstepping witout inerpolation
M566 X400.00 Y400.00 Z100.00 U100 E80.00 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) was 480 for x and y
M203 X10000.00 Y10000.00 Z6000.00 U6000.00 E8000.00 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X600.00 Y600.00 Z30.00 U30.00 E100.00 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2) was 800 for x and y
M906 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z800.00 U800.00 E500.00 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M584 X0 Y1 Z2:4 ; two Z motors connected to driver outputs Z and E1
M671 X-20:310 Y0:0 S2 ; leadscrews at left (connected to Z) and right (connected to E1) of X axis
M208 X-5:305 Y0:300 ; X carriage moves from -5 to 305, Y bed goes from 0 to 300
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

; Axis Limits
M208 X-25 Y-30 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima
M208 X300 Y300 Z300 S0 ; Set axis maxima

; Endstops
M574 X1 Y1 S1 ; Set active high endstops

; Z-Probe
M574 Z1 S2 ; Set endstops controlled by probe
M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; Disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
M558 P9 H5 F120 S.02 T7000 ; Set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
;M558 P9 H5 F120 T7000
G31 P500 X30 Y-10 Z1.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X15:285 Y10:275 P4 ; Define mesh grid

; Heaters
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
M143 H1 S280 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

; Fans
M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
M106 P1 S0 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled

; Custom settings are not configured

; Miscellaneous
M501 ; Load saved parameters from non-volatile memory

Here is config-override.g

; config-override.g file generated in response to M500 at 2019-09-09 09:02
; This is a system-generated file - do not edit
; Heater model parameters
M307 H0 A90.0 C700.0 D10.0 S1.00 V0.0 B0
M307 H1 A234.7 C160.1 D6.4 S0.70 V23.7 B0
M307 H2 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
M307 H4 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
M307 H5 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
M307 H6 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
M307 H7 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
G10 L2 P1 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00

T3P3Tony

@GeorgeM thanks - that setup should work without reducing PWM. When @dc42 gets a chance maybe he can add to this.

BTW -its not related but you should not have M587 in your config.g

GeorgeM

@T3P3Tony Thanks, I missed that.

dc42

@t3p3tony said in PID Tuning Number of Cycles:

@GeorgeM thanks - that setup should work without reducing PWM. When @dc42 gets a chance maybe he can add to this.

Yes, that should work. If you send M307 H0 from the GCode console, it should show that it is using the heater 0 parameters that were saved to config-override.g. Similarly for M307 H1.

T3P3Tony

@dc42 that part is working. the issue is the oscillation with the results from M303 with a PWM value of >0.7

@GeorgeM it would be helpful if you could post some images of the temperature graph to show this oscillation at PWM 1 and 0.7

dc42

If the temperature oscillates, that normally means that tuning has under-measured the M307 D parameter. It can be fixed by increasing the D parameter. Try a 50% increase.

GeorgeM

Well, just like going to the auto mechanic, today I disasembled the hotend, cleaned it up, put it back together and redid the PID with PWM of 1. I still got the error of overheating but in doing my first test print the temp seams stable. Only oscillating about .5d.

Phaedrux

@GeorgeM The overheating warning won't go away. It's meant to inform you of the predicted possible max temps reachable in a fail on situation. In other words, keep an eye on your printer.

GeorgeM

@Phaedrux Second day and it's still holding pretty steady so good to go.
Thanks for all you input.