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    cookie
    last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 12:03

    Hello,

    I'm getting a high power fan to be used with Duet 2 Wifi. The model is Delta PFB1224UHE 24V 2.4A 12cm. Is this fan supposed to work with this board? Any caution since I never installed this much power fan before.

    Also, I've read the wiki that there's brushed and brushless motor. Any idea which one is this fan?

    Here's the PDF spec of this fan on official website
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    Thanks,
    Cookie

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      Veti
      last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 12:07

      the fan fuse is 1A.

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        cookie @Veti
        last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 12:23

        @Veti Thanks. Then any idea what I need to do to make it works?

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          Veti
          last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 12:54

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans

          Alternatively, if you have a spare heater output and you are using firmware 2.02 or later then you can use the heater output as an additional fan output (see later). You must always use a flyback diode if you connect a brushed DC motor to a heater output.

          @dc42 however the site does not mention what the command is.

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            mrehorstdmd
            last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 13:51

            The label on the picture you posted says "brushless"...

            https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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              cookie @mrehorstdmd
              last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 14:11

              @mrehorstdmd haha, just overlook. Thanks.

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                cookie @Veti
                last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 14:13

                @Veti Thanks. Now it became brushless motor powered by heater output and have no idea how to control the fan with command..

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                  Veti
                  last edited by Veti 31 Dec 2019, 14:58

                  from the changelog

                  M106 supports a new A parameter to map the fan to a different fan output or a heater output, or to re-enable a disabled fan

                  Ann Logical pin number that this fan is connected to (supported in RRF >= 2.02) (not supported in RRF_3, use M950)

                  the question now would be what is the pin number?
                  edit: see https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Using_servos_and_controlling_unused_IO_pins

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                    cookie
                    last edited by cookie 31 Dec 2019, 15:49

                    Hello,

                    Thinking about another simple solution within 1A limit, the fan pressure become half of that high power one. The current for this fan is 1A with maximum 1.5A

                    This fan will run about 5-10 minutes at a time. Will it be too stretch for 1A fuse?
                    https://www.delta-fan.com/Download/Spec/FFB1224EHE.pdf

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                      Phaedrux Moderator
                      last edited by Phaedrux 31 Dec 2019, 16:54

                      We recommend no more than 1.5A continuous current draw from each fan output, although up to 3.5A for a few seconds while the fan starts up will not harm them.

                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans

                      Please read this.

                      That second fan may be acceptable on the fan header but you may still blow the fuse. Replacing it with a 2a fuse may be necessary but then you're reducing your protection as well, and would likely void any warranty should damage occur.

                      Using the higher current heater output may be a better route.

                      And I have to ask, what are you doing that requires such large powerful fans?

                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                        cookie @Phaedrux
                        last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 21:19

                        @Phaedrux It's a bed cooling fan.

                        I've read them now but still not sure because I've no background in engineering.

                        Also, after hours of research. I've found another high efficient alternative which is rated 1.49A. It's NMB 12038VA-24R-GA-00

                        So, I think 2A fuse is acceptable because other fans are smaller .. but a lot cheaper anyway. Anyway, this fuse size is the Ampere of all running fans in the system and which I could buy typical car fuse and replace it right?

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                          Phaedrux Moderator @cookie
                          last edited by 31 Dec 2019, 21:23

                          @cookie said in High power fan with Duet 2 Wifi.:

                          typical car fuse and replace it right?

                          Yes

                          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                            cookie @Phaedrux
                            last edited by cookie 1 Jan 2020, 14:34 1 Jan 2020, 14:17

                            @Phaedrux Thanks a lot. After reading a bit and looking at the board, it seem to be 32V DC mini blade fuse like these right?

                            Now I can get spare fuses. Interestingly, a small 1A fuse is not available to buy on Digikey. Could get from somewhere else anyway 🤗 🤗

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                              dc42 administrators
                              last edited by 1 Jan 2020, 16:35

                              See https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connector_and_spare_part_numbers.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                cookie @dc42
                                last edited by 3 Jan 2020, 14:42

                                @dc42 Thanks a lot. I'm going to order today 🤗 🤗

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