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    • NEVER LUCKYundefined
      NEVER LUCKY
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      i didnt change a thing in the config and didnt generate a new one. only the RRF is 3.0 now

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      • droftartsundefined
        droftarts administrators @NEVER LUCKY
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        @NEVER-LUCKY Okay. Hot end thermistor should be on e0temp, the right-hand two-pin connection here:
        57b476e9-c002-4a6f-b54d-01b6cd677c3d-image.png

        If it is, can you test the wiring with a multimeter? If not, try swapping bed and hot end thermistors connections, see if you get a reading for the hot end thermistor on the bed.

        Ian

        Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        • NEVER LUCKYundefined
          NEVER LUCKY
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          alright! its all fine the wiring was wrong... so dumb of me!

          the bed heater is still fault for rising slowly though.

          crso.PNG

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          • droftartsundefined
            droftarts administrators @NEVER LUCKY
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            @NEVER-LUCKY You'll need to tune the bed with M303. RRF3 doesn't assume that any heater is a bed, so it just thinks something is wrong.

            First, you need to get your temperature sensors reporting accurately. You're using:

            M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138     ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
            M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138      ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
            

            T100000 B4138 is the default thermistor setting, for a Honeywell 135-104QAD-J01 thermistor that shipped with hot ends from RepRapPro, who have been out of business for 4 years! So I doubt you have the correct thermistor settings, and likely the temperature your heaters are reporting is not accurate. All 100k ohm thermistors have a resistance of 100k ohms at 25C, and will be fairly accurate at room temperature, but they report very differently as they get hotter. So please check what thermistors you have in your bed and hot end, and set them correctly, then you have a chance of accurately setting extrusion temperature.

            Then, your heater settings. For full details see: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control

            Your heater settings are at the default. It looks like you haven't tuned your heaters THEN sent M500 (to store them to config-override.g). Alternatively you can copy the heater tuning to config.g. This hasn't been done, as the heater profiles in your config.g are still:

            M307 H0 B0 S1.00
            M307 H1 B0 S1.00
            

            While the hot end will probably heat up, the temperature control won't be smooth. So, tune heaters with something like:

            M303 H0 S60
            M303 H1 S200
            

            Run them each a number of times (usually three times will do), but wait for the heater to be at room temperature before doing it again. Once the results converge, send M500 to save them to config-override.g

            Then either add M501 to the end of config.g so they load from config-override.g, or copy the heater settings to config.g

            You can check the current heater settings by sending M307 H0 or M307 H1 from the console.

            Ian

            Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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            • NEVER LUCKYundefined
              NEVER LUCKY
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              thanks for the tips!!
              so now im doing the tuning by sending the commands from above, ill do it 3 times as you said, but where exactly must i add M501 in config.g ?
              at the last line of ;Heaters or the last line of config.g ?

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              • droftartsundefined
                droftarts administrators @NEVER LUCKY
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                @NEVER-LUCKY
                Either add M501 to the end of config.g so they load from config-override.g, or copy the heater settings (M308 for bed and hot end) to config.g (from config_override.g to config.g)

                Ian

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                • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                  NEVER LUCKY
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                  right. and should i send M500 after i tune the bed and then tune the hotend and send M500 again? Or can i tune the bed and hotend both 3 times and afterwards sent M500 once ?

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator @NEVER LUCKY
                    last edited by Phaedrux

                    @NEVER-LUCKY Send M500 after each. I'm not sure if the tunes values are applied immediately after tuning, or if they need to be saved and loaded by a reboot. Actually, you don't even have to reboot. Save with M500 which saves the values to config-override.g and then send M501, which loads config-override.g.

                    For what it's worth I've only ever run the tuning once. IF you do run it multiple times, don't forget to let it reach room temp before starting again.

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                    • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                      NEVER LUCKY
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                      for some reason my hotend fans stopped spinning. should i tune the hotend without fans?
                      im not sure what the problem is, the two fans stopped spinning last night, but when i click on TestFans, they do just fine and start spinning and after the test they go off.

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator @NEVER LUCKY
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                        @NEVER-LUCKY said in Hotend and Heated bed reading 2000deg celcius and fault:

                        should i tune the hotend without fans?

                        No.

                        What do you have in your config.g for fans? How are the fans wired?

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator @NEVER LUCKY
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                          @NEVER-LUCKY said in Hotend and Heated bed reading 2000deg celcius and fault:

                          TestFans,

                          Test fans sounds like a factory test macro. Do not use it.

                          Does the hotend fan spin briefly at power on?

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                          • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                            NEVER LUCKY
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                            They are wired fine because TestFans Macro runs perfectly but after that they turn off completely and there is no way to turn even on of the two on. Im using an alwaysOn fan aswell to cool the drivers and that is running just fine. only the two hotend fans are not spinning.

                            ; Configuration file for Duet Maestro (firmware version 3)
                            ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                            ;
                            ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Sat Jan 18 2020 15:59:57 GMT+0100 (Central European Standard Time)
                            
                            ; General preferences
                            G90                                                ; send absolute coordinates...
                            M83                                                ; ...but relative extruder moves
                            M550 P"Colossus"                                   ; set printer name
                            M665 R154 L324 B150 H700                           ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
                            M666 X0 Y0 Z0                                      ; put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
                            
                            ; Network
                            M552 P0.0.0.0 S1                                   ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                            M586 P0 S1                                         ; enable HTTP
                            M586 P1 S0                                         ; disable FTP
                            M586 P2 S0                                         ; disable Telnet
                            
                            ; Drives
                            M569 P0 S1                                         ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                            M569 P1 S1                                         ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                            M569 P2 S1                                         ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
                            M569 P3 S1                                         ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
                            M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3                                   ; set drive mapping
                            M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                            ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                            M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z80.00 E663.00                   ; set steps per mm
                            M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z1200.00 E1200.00           ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                            M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z18000.00 E1200.00        ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                            M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E1000.00           ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                            M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E800 I30                    ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                            M84 S30                                            ; Set idle timeout
                            
                            ; Axis Limits
                            M208 Z0 S1                                         ; set minimum Z
                            
                            ; Endstops
                            M574 X2 S1 P"xstop"                                ; configure active-low endstop for high end on X via pin xstop
                            M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop"                                ; configure active-low endstop for high end on Y via pin ystop
                            M574 Z2 S1 P"zstop"                                ; configure active-low endstop for high end on Z via pin zstop
                            
                            ; Z-Probe
                            M558 P0 H5 F120 T6000                              ; disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
                            M557 R85 S20                                       ; define mesh grid
                            
                            ; Heaters
                            
                            
                            M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138     ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                            M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                              ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                            M143 H0 S130                                       ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 130C
                            M307 H0 B1 S1.00                                   ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                            M140 H0                                            ; map heated bed to heater 0
                            M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138      ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                            M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                               ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                            M143 H1 S280                                       ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                            M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                   ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                            
                            ; Tools
                            M563 P0 S"Extruder_TOOL" D0 H1 F0                  ; define tool 0
                            G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                    ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                            G10 P0 R0 S0                                       ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                            
                            ; Custom settings are not defined
                            
                            ; Miscellaneous
                            M501                                               ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                            M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
                            
                            
                            
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                            • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                              NEVER LUCKY
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                              i cant find a thing about fans in config

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                              • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                                NEVER LUCKY
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                                @Phaedrux said in Hotend and Heated bed reading 2000deg celcius and fault:

                                Test fans sounds like a factory test macro. Do not use it.

                                at power on neither of the two spin

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                                • Phaedruxundefined
                                  Phaedrux Moderator
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                                  Ok, I'm guessing you didn't choose any fans when running the configurator.

                                  How do you have the fans connected?

                                  You said that when you ran TESTFANS the fans would spin?
                                  Can you post the contents of that macro?

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                                  • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                                    NEVER LUCKY
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                                    ; Test Routine for Duet 2 Maestro August 2018: Test PWM fans
                                    
                                    ;Start logging
                                    M929 P"test3log.txt" S1
                                    
                                    
                                    M291 P"Once OK is pressed all 3 fans should come on full power" R"Fan Test" S2
                                    ; Full on fan test
                                    M106 P0 S255
                                    M106 P1 S255
                                    M106 P2 S255
                                    
                                    
                                    G4 P5000
                                    
                                    M291 P"Once OK is pressed all 3 fans should change to half power" R"Fan Test" S2
                                    ; Full on fan test
                                    M106 P0 S180
                                    M106 P1 S180
                                    M106 P2 S180
                                    
                                    
                                    G4 P5000
                                    
                                    M291 P"Once OK is pressed all 3 fans should  turn off" R"Fan Test" S2
                                    ; Full on fan test
                                    M106 P0 S0
                                    M106 P1 S0
                                    M106 P2 S0
                                    
                                    
                                    
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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
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                                      Ok, well at least we know the fans work.

                                      If you have recently generated that config.g using the configurator, you can re-open it in the configurator and make some changes to it there and re-export it.

                                      In DWC, in the sys folder, you will see a little button next to the config file saying something like edit with config tool. I haven't tried it yet myself, but it should open the configurator with your current settings and allow you to make changes. You'll just need to select the fan ports you are using there.

                                      Hopefully that will get you rolling. I have to step out for a bit. Good luck.

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                                      • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                                        NEVER LUCKY
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                                        thanks !
                                        ill try it

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                                        • NEVER LUCKYundefined
                                          NEVER LUCKY
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                                          i remember what happened, when i was adding and removing things from ;Heaters, i accidentally deleted ;Fans...
                                          soo stupid..

                                          One question: is it normal that the extrude/retract button in DWC doesnt work when the hotend isnt hot enough?
                                          if that is correct, then at what temp will it start working? 200?

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator @NEVER LUCKY
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                                            @NEVER-LUCKY search the gcode wiki for cold extrude.

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