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    spllg
    last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 08:36

    i am powering the duet 5v from the rpi via usb (internal 5v enable, 5v->sbc and sbc->5v are open) - a configuration which has been working fro ~2 months.

    btw.: tried sbc->5v (internal 5v enable open) but this did not work.

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      dc42 administrators @spllg
      last edited by dc42 20 Apr 2020, 08:46

      @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

      btw.: tried sbc->5v (internal 5v enable open) but this did not work.

      Odd, that should have worked.

      Does the PSU that powers the Pi use a mains ground pin? If so then you may have a ground loop, and you should power the Pi PSU and the Duet PSU and nothing else except Pi peripherals from the same power distribution block.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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        spllg
        last edited by spllg 20 Apr 2020, 09:19

        Odd, that should have worked.

        it has been working for ~2 months

        the psu that powers the pi dues not use a mains ground pin.

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          A Former User @spllg
          last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 09:54

          @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

          as i do not know what you mean by 'the DWC files etc', could you provide a reference?

          ah, i thought you might have been using previous duets

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/SD_Card
          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/1.)+Getting+Connected+to+your+Duet/7

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            droftarts administrators @spllg
            last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 09:54

            @spllg I've updated the SD card page, showing how to set up a new SD card for Duet 2 Wifi/Ethernet/Maestro and Duet 3. See: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/SD_Card

            Ian

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              spllg @droftarts
              last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 11:00

              @droftarts , @bearer thanks - i replaces config.g, .. with my customized versions and connected the duet with a cable to my network -> it prints.

              but the issue is not solved. i think if i would install a new rpi it will die after a whils.

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                droftarts administrators @spllg
                last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 11:26

                @spllg Which Raspberry Pi model? Anything else connected to the Pi? Trying to build up a picture of voltage/current issues, as has been reported in this other thread: https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/15709/undervolts-on-pi

                Ian

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                  spllg
                  last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 11:33

                  rpi 4b with a display ( https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B07YZ3ZVTW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ), nothing else.

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                    arhi @spllg
                    last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 11:34

                    @spllg I'd love to get my hands on that pi to figure out why they died, I guess I'm not the only one :). Are those RPI 3B or ?

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                      arhi
                      last edited by arhi 20 Apr 2020, 11:35

                      ah rpi4, have you tried powering it trough the 5V on the header and not trough the usb ? (stand alone, not connected to duet)

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                        spllg @arhi
                        last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 11:38

                        @arhi i have powered the pi from the duet using the header but did not succeed powering the duet from the rpi using the header.

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                          spllg @arhi
                          last edited by spllg 20 Apr 2020, 11:40

                          @arhi

                          i'd love to get my hands on that pi to figure out why they died, I guess I'm not the only one :). Are those RPI 3B or ?

                          would you like to buy it?

                          btw: duet 3 running in stand alone mode seems to over extrude quite a bit - at least my extrude settings ceased to work - had to lower it to 80%.

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                            arhi @spllg
                            last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 13:48

                            @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

                            would you like to buy it?

                            Yes, would be an interesting project to figure out why it died, but it is impossible to get anything in .rs now due to quarantine and police hour. Let's discuss this after this #%$^^&_#@ is over, I'm def. interested.

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                              gtj0 @spllg
                              last edited by 20 Apr 2020, 14:17

                              @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

                              @arhi i have powered the pi from the duet using the header but did not succeed powering the duet from the rpi using the header.

                              Do you have both the 5V->SBC and the SBC->5V pins jumpered? They both need to be connected to power the Duet from the SBC.

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                                Danal @spllg
                                last edited by Danal 20 Apr 2020, 15:10

                                @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

                                i am powering the duet 5v from the rpi via usb (internal 5v enable, 5v->sbc and sbc->5v are open) - a configuration which has been working fro ~2 months.

                                You guys discussed this a little above, and then moved on. This absolutely will not work (as Dave pointed out). The fact that it does work for @spllg would seem to be the key to whatever is killing these.

                                As a "cold read" bystander of this thread, I believe you guys should go back and dive into this quite a bit more.

                                Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                                  spllg @Danal
                                  last edited by 22 Apr 2020, 08:10

                                  @Danal sorry, i should have written

                                  i am powering the duet 5v from the rpi via usb (internal 5v open, 5v->sbc and sbc->5v are open)

                                  instead of

                                  i am powering the duet 5v from the rpi via usb (internal 5v enable, 5v->sbc and sbc->5v are open)

                                  if it is not possible to 5v-power the duet using the usb port, how can i 5v-power the duet except from the 24v psu by means of internal 5v enable?

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                                    spllg @gtj0
                                    last edited by spllg 22 Apr 2020, 08:18

                                    @gtj0

                                    Do you have both the 5V->SBC and the SBC->5V pins jumpered? They both need to be connected to power the Duet from the SBC.

                                    both? this is contradicting
                                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Wiring_Diagram

                                    which states:

                                    'If you want the SBC to provide 5V to the Duet then remove the jumper from 5V->SBC and from Internal 5v En. Place a jumper on SBC-5V*' (which does not work)

                                    now i'm even more confused.

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                                      A Former User
                                      last edited by A Former User 22 Apr 2020, 08:29

                                      The default 5V power configuration is Internal 5V enable - jumpered, 5V->SBC jumpered (the Duet is powering the SBC) , SBC->5V* not jumpered. If you want the SBC to provide 5V to the Duet then remove the jumper from 5V->SBC and from Internal 5v En. Place a jumper on SBC-5V*. NOTE this bypasses the 5V protection and a fault on the SBC may damage the Duet.

                                      Does indeed seem to be a typo. SBC->5V(JP5) only connects the 5V_EXT and 5V_INT; you still need the 5V->SBC(JP4) jumper to get the powe from the Pi header and to 5V_EXT. Open JP1; close JP4 and JP5 or use the VBUS/5V_EXT_INPUT input to retain the diode protection?

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                                        spllg @A Former User
                                        last edited by spllg 22 Apr 2020, 08:35

                                        @bearer

                                        Does indeed seem to be a typo.

                                        @dc42 can you confirm that it's a typo - i do not intend to kill another rpi.

                                        additional question: (how) is it possible to access the duet via the usb interface when it's powered by the rpi?

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                                          A Former User @spllg
                                          last edited by A Former User 22 Apr 2020, 08:37

                                          @spllg said in my second raspberry has just passed away:

                                          usb interface when it's powered by the rpi?

                                          using a serial terminal on the Pi? minicom, screen, echo, cat, socat lots of options but less user friendly on the console. (there are probaly more user friendly graphical alternatives, that could also be used with VcXsrv or even VNC etc)

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