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Short circuit error on Kossel XL with duet wifi

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    sigxcpu
    last edited by 28 Mar 2017, 04:59

    There is no extruder thermistor. There is the hotend thermistor.
    The 4 color wires from Titan are the motor wires. You need to measure the two wires (either white or red/black) coming from down below, inside the heater block where the nozzle is.

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      oogway
      last edited by 28 Mar 2017, 23:18

      @sigxcpu:

      There is no extruder thermistor. There is the hotend thermistor.
      The 4 color wires from Titan are the motor wires. You need to measure the two wires (either white or red/black) coming from down below, inside the heater block where the nozzle is.

      Gotchya, measuring those 2 wires from my hot end i got a range of numbers. I listed a few of the ones in an above post.

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        T3P3Tony administrators
        last edited by 28 Mar 2017, 23:35

        So just to be clear you should have 2 thin wires and two thick wires coming from your hotend. Then another 4 wires (probably black blue green red) coming from the e3d titan motor. Ignore the 4 wires coming from the titan motor. Check the resistance across the two thin thermistor wires where they plug into the board, but with them not plugged into the board. If you get similar readings to those you already mentioned then you have a short circuit on your thermistor

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          oogway
          last edited by 29 Mar 2017, 01:00

          @T3P3Tony:

          So just to be clear you should have 2 thin wires and two thick wires coming from your hotend. Then another 4 wires (probably black blue green red) coming from the e3d titan motor. Ignore the 4 wires coming from the titan motor. Check the resistance across the two thin thermistor wires where they plug into the board, but with them not plugged into the board. If you get similar readings to those you already mentioned then you have a short circuit on your thermistor

          Ok so the 2 thick wires are what i originally tested and what gave me the numbers that jump around.

          The 2 thin wires i'm not able to test because of the connector they go to, i tried sticking my multimeter sticks in the 2 holes but didn't get a reading. Should i cut the wires off from the connector to get a reading from the bare wires?

          I've attached a picture just to show what i'm talking about.

          https://postimg.org/image/dqe59walv/

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 29 Mar 2017, 05:53

            You could put wires in the connector holes and measure between those.

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              oogway
              last edited by 30 Mar 2017, 00:47

              @dc42:

              You could put wires in the connector holes and measure between those.

              I put wires into the holes as far back as i could and measured but still get a reading of .0L. Perhaps i'm measuring it incorrectly? I used speaker wire and made sure to stick them in as far as they would go.

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                oogway
                last edited by 31 Mar 2017, 20:29

                I ended up stripping the wires just to be sure. Still same error message.

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                  T3P3Tony administrators
                  last edited by 31 Mar 2017, 22:09

                  Sounds like you have a faulty thermistor or faulty wires between the board and the thermistor on your hotend.

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                    oogway
                    last edited by 31 Mar 2017, 22:47

                    @T3P3Tony:

                    Sounds like you have a faulty thermistor or faulty wires between the board and the thermistor on your hotend.

                    Ok I'll look into replacing the thermistor. Is it possible I blew that little board that sits above the hotend? The one i plug everything into.

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                      T3P3Tony administrators
                      last edited by 31 Mar 2017, 22:54

                      Ahh hold on. I did not realise you had a hotend PCB. That is another point where there could be an error. So measure the resistance of the the thermistor at the plug that plugs the thermistor into the hotend PCB. Also measure the reisitance of the connection from the hotend PCB back to the plug onto the Duet. The thermistor should be 100K ( the wires should be almost 0 Ohms.

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                        oogway
                        last edited by 1 Apr 2017, 23:46

                        So i measured the pictured black and green wires and got a resistance of .010 when the mm is set to 2M. Hope that's normal.

                        https://postimg.org/image/qfql2u489/

                        I measured the resistance of the thermistor plug (link to picture in a previous post) and got the same .0l reading.

                        Thanks for all of your help so far everyone. I'm a total noob. lol

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                          oogway
                          last edited by 4 May 2017, 11:34 3 Apr 2017, 22:20

                          Does anyone know where i can find the hotend pcb? I tried looking on the E3D website and the Think3dprint3d website but did not see it.

                          Was also wondering this…since my hotend pcb still powers on my 2 fans connected to it...is it safe to assume that it's ok? I'm now thinking it's just the thermistor that needs to be replaced..

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                            T3P3Tony administrators
                            last edited by 5 Apr 2017, 18:22

                            The Hotend PCB is on Github here:

                            https://github.com/T3P3/KosselHotendBoard

                            It certainly sounds like a new thermistor is the most likely.

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                              oogway
                              last edited by 5 Apr 2017, 19:42

                              @T3P3Tony:

                              The Hotend PCB is on Github here:

                              https://github.com/T3P3/KosselHotendBoard

                              It certainly sounds like a new thermistor is the most likely.

                              Awesome, I'll start there. Should i replace both wires coming out of my hotend? or just the thicker red one?

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                                oogway
                                last edited by 14 Apr 2017, 23:41

                                Just to confirm, it was my thermistor. I replaced it and it heated up immediately. Thanks for the help everyone!

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