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    clearlynotstef
    last edited by 12 May 2020, 13:44

    I'm currently revamping my beloved delta, which is currently powered by a meanwell type 12v power supply. Considering going to 24v. All of my accessories are 12v and some of them I rather like, my hotend and part fans for instance. I personally have not loved my experiences with buck convertors but understand that is an option. For the fans, they're pwm on the (-) side, right? Even the thermostatic always on fan? I could keep my 12v PSU giving + to all the fans and plug the (-) into the board right? Then I could just order 24v heater carts or buck convertors on the heater (ssr mains bed)? Is it even worth the trouble?

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      gtj0 @clearlynotstef
      last edited by 12 May 2020, 13:54

      @clearlynotstef I think for fans and other low power devices using a buck converter is fine. Everything is switched on the negative side. You could then replace them with 24v equivalents whenever you want. I wouldn't run heaters through a converter though. You'd be much better off replacing those with 24v ones.

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        Danal
        last edited by Danal 5 Dec 2020, 14:52 12 May 2020, 14:52

        Exactly what @gtj0 said.

        Swap 12V PSU to 24V, add buck for fans that feeds the + to the fans, and the fan - is to the duet to be switched... and replace hot end heaters with 24V.

        What about your bed?

        Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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          clearlynotstef @Danal
          last edited by 12 May 2020, 18:02

          @Danal Bed is 120v on SR. Is there a reason to use a buck converter when I already will have a spare 12v power supply? Couldn't I just add a 24v to the duet for motors, and connect the + fans to the current 12v power supply for power directly? then just the ground to the board for pwm/switching?

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            gtj0 @clearlynotstef
            last edited by 12 May 2020, 18:29

            @clearlynotstef Sure. You're the one that mentioned the converters. 🙂

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              Danal
              last edited by 12 May 2020, 18:42

              While I believe that would work... inexpensive power supplies are notoriously weird about their ground (internally). May or may not be tied to earth ground, may or may not be a true zero potential, etc.

              Personally, I'd be MUCH more comfortable with the converters on the fans.

              Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                clearlynotstef
                last edited by 12 May 2020, 19:11

                Alright so let's say I go buck converters for the fans then, new carts for the hotend heaters, bed is SSR so nothing there, and by the time I'm done there will likely be 7 nema 17s, one of which is a little baby pancake on the extruder. 360 watt should do?

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                  Danal
                  last edited by 12 May 2020, 19:39

                  How many hot ends on at once?

                  Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by 12 May 2020, 22:14

                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans#Section_Using_12V_fans_when_VIN_is_24V for buck converter example.

                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_the_power_supply for some guidance on wattage requirements.

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                      clearlynotstef @Danal
                      last edited by 13 May 2020, 15:14

                      @Danal Just one, swappable smart effectors, one with a .4 v6 and the other with a volcano with a .8 (and a bigger heater).

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                        logriso
                        last edited by 15 May 2020, 10:23

                        Hi there.
                        i did what 's written in the article posted from @Phaedrux ...the only difference is that my 12V p.s. is coming from a dedicated 12v power supply. (i don't this this is matter)
                        I followed the instruction but my fan doesn't work. it works only when i connect internal 5V by jumper. (obviously less then full speed).
                        anyone has an ideas?

                        thanks

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                          Danal
                          last edited by 15 May 2020, 11:00

                          There are 3 options in that article. Which one did you use?

                          And can you post photos of the wiring of the buck converter?

                          Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                            logriso
                            last edited by logriso 15 May 2020, 11:28

                            @Danal , I used the article only to have the information for connection of 12V in the middle pin of voltage selection for fan. (V_FAN_A) b438e99f-a902-4075-a6e7-560ed87bf87a-image.png
                            I didn't used a buck convertor, but a power supply already used to other equipment.
                            I connected the DC 12V+ from power supply following the indication of attached picture.
                            My 12V p.s. is directly supplied from 220 V .
                            I dont think that the 12 V to supply the fan has to be derivated from the duet board....but i'm not sure....
                            the result is that my fan doesn't work in this configuration.

                            Bye

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                              Danal
                              last edited by Danal 15 May 2020, 13:55

                              What you show for the converter should work. Assuming the screw was adjusted so it outputs 12V

                              Edit: Board wiring looks correct.

                              Double check that converter is outputting 12V

                              Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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