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    • deckingmanundefined
      deckingman @curlypaul
      last edited by

      @curlypaul Back on topic - might be best if you post your config.g and homing files.

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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      • curlypaulundefined
        curlypaul
        last edited by curlypaul

        Thankyou - I'll take that from seeing your build 🙂

        All machined at work, it's meant to be a toolchanger at some point also - that was the original plan

        It's sister machine has been running since last november, but only as a single head, but as with everything, life and work get in the way 😞

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        • curlypaulundefined
          curlypaul
          last edited by

          Here we go, only using stall for homing at present for getting it going

          config.g

          G90                                             ; send absolute coordinates...
          M83                                             ; ...but relative extruder moves
          M550 P"Dual Head"                               ; set printer name
          
          M669 K8                                         ; select CoreXYUV mode
          
          ; Network
          M552 S1                                         ; enable network
          M586 P0 S1                                      ; enable HTTP
          M586 P1 S0                                      ; disable FTP
          M586 P2 S0                                      ; disable Telnet
          
          ; Drives
          M569 P0 S1	                                    ; X physical drive 0 goes forwards
          M569 P1 S1                                      ; Y physical drive 1 goes forwards
          M569 P2 S1                                     ; Z physical drive 2 goes forwards
          M569 P3 S0                                      ; U physical drive 3 goes forwards
          M569 P4 S1                                      ; V physical drive 4 goes forwards
          M569 P5 S1                                      ; E0 physical drive 0 goes forwards
          M569 P6 S1                                      ; E1 physical drive 1 goes forwards
          
          M584 X0 Y1 U3 V4 Z2 E5:6 P4                           	; set drive mapping
          M350 X16 Y16 U16 V16 Z16 E16:16 I1                      ; configure microstepping with interpolation
          M92 X160 Y160 U160 V160 Z2560 E420:420     				; set steps per mm
          M566 X1200 Y1200 U1200 V1200 Z12 E120:120						    ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X9000 Y9000 U9000 V9000 Z360 E1200:1200			; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
          M201 X1000 Y1000 U1000 V1000 Z500 E250:250      		; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
          M906 X1400 Y1400 U1400 V1400 Z1400 E1200:1200 I30       ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
          M84 S30                                         		; Set idle timeout
          
          ; Axis Limits
          M208 X-5 Y-5 U-5 V-5 Z0 S1                            ; set axis minima
          M208 X400 Y350 U400 V350 Z300 S0                          ; set axis maxima
          
          ; Endstops
          M574 X1 Y1 U1 V1 S3                                   ; set endstops controlled by motor stall detection
          M574 Z1 S2                                      ; set endstops controlled by probe
          
          ; Z-Probe
          M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1                             ; disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
          M558 P9 H5 F120 T9000                           ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
          G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5                             ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
          M557 X-35:215 Y-45:195 S20                      ; define mesh grid
          
          ; Heaters
          M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
          M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700                     ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
          M143 H0 S90                                     ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 90C
          M305 P1 T100000 B4138 R4700                     ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
          M143 H1 S280                                    ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
          M305 P2 T100000 B4138 R4700                     ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 2
          M143 H2 S280                                    ; set temperature limit for heater 2 to 280C
          
          ; Fans
          M106 P0 S0 I0 F50 H-1                           ; set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
          M106 P1 S1 I0 F50 H1 T45                        ; set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
          M106 P2 S1 I0 F50 H2 T45 X125                     ; set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
          M106 P3 S1 I0 F50 H-1                           ; set fan 3 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
          
          ; Tools
          M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                                ; define tool 0
          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
          G10 P0 R0 S0                                    ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
          M563 P1 D1 H2 F3 X3                              ; define tool 1
          G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0                                 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
          G10 P1 R0 S0                                    ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
          
          

          homeu.g

          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
          G4 P100			; wait 400ms
          M574 U1 V1 S3 		; set endstops to use motor stall
          
          M913 U50 V50		; drop motor currents to 50%
          M915 H200 U V S3 R0 F0 	; set X and Y to sensitivity 3, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
          
          G91
          G1 H2 Z5 F9000    ; lift Z relative to current position
          G1 H1 U705 F4000 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
          G1 H2 U-6 F5000    ; go back a few mm
          G1 H1 U705 F3000  ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
          G1 H2 Z-5 F9000   ; lower Z again
          
          G92 U400
          
          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
          G4 P100			; wait 400ms
          M913 U100 V100 		; motor currents back to 100%
          
          M574 U1 S0 		; Define active low and unused microswitches
          
          G1G91U-5.F5000
          

          homex.g

          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
          G4 P100			; wait 400ms
          M574 X1 Y1 S3 		; set endstops to use motor stall
          
          M913 X50 Y50		; drop motor currents to 50%
          M915 H200 X Y S3 R0 F0 	; set X and Y to sensitivity 3, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
          
          G91
          G1 H2 Z5 F9000    ; lift Z relative to current position
          G1 H1 X-705 F4000 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
          G1 H2 X6 F5000    ; go back a few mm
          G1 H1 X-705 F3000  ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
          G1 H2 Z-5 F9000   ; lower Z again
          
          G92 X0
          
          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
          G4 P100			; wait 400ms
          M913 X100 Y100 		; motor currents back to 100%
          
          M574 X1 S0 		; Define active low and unused microswitches
          
          G1G91X5.F5000
          
          G90  
          

          homey.g

          G91              ; relative positioning
          
          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we make changes
          M574 X1 Y1 S3 		; set endstops to use motor stall
          
          
          M913 X40 Y40		; drop motor currents to 25%
          M915 H200 X Y S3 R0 F0 	; set X and Y to sensitivity 3, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
          
          G1 H2 Z5 F9000    ; lift Z relative to current position
          
          G1 S1 Y-700 F4000        	; move all carriages up 700mm, stopping at the endstops
          G1 Y5
          G92 Y0
          
          G4 X2000
          
          G1 S1 Y-700 F4000        	; move all carriages up 700mm, stopping at the endstops
          G1 Y5
          G92 Y0
          
          G1 H2 Z-5 F9000   ; lower Z again
          
          
          G90 			; back to absolute positioning
          
          M400 			; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
          G4 P100			; wait 400ms
          M913 X100 Y100 		; motor currents back to 100%
          
          M574 Y1 S0 		; Define active low and unused microswitches
          
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          • deckingmanundefined
            deckingman @curlypaul
            last edited by

            @curlypaul I have an idea but I might be on the wrong track. I need to clarify a few things in my mind - bear with me.

            Looking at your rig, I'm assuming that you just have one gantry that moves towards the back and front and that on that gantry you have two independent heads that move left to right yes? If so, then and Y and V are common but X and U are separate yes?

            You are homing X to the left but U to the right yes?

            But you have all the end stops set to the low end (M574). So what I think you might need to do is change the U end stop to be at the high end (change M574 U1 to U2). But then you'll need to change the motor directions as well (I think - because you say that it currently homes correctly but we need to change the endstop from being low end to high end). Maybe David can confirm or otherwise.

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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            • curlypaulundefined
              curlypaul
              last edited by

              I noticed the U was U1 not U2 after I posted the code - changed to U2 still the same

              Everything else you typed was correct

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              • deckingmanundefined
                deckingman @curlypaul
                last edited by deckingman

                @curlypaul You've got a couple of M574s in your home U as well as in config.g. Do they now all match?

                Ian
                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                • curlypaulundefined
                  curlypaul @deckingman
                  last edited by

                  @deckingman Yes - Both U2

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                  • deckingmanundefined
                    deckingman @curlypaul
                    last edited by

                    @curlypaul I've just re-read you post - lack of caffeine on my part - it's Y that you are having problems with not U. So you can home Y fine but you can't move Y "normally". That's a bit puzzling. My printer is a bit different because I have two completely separate gantries (actually 3 because it's now CoreXYUVAB) but what I have to do is map the motors to individual axes for homing, then combine them for "normal" movement. So maybe what you need to do is, after homing Y combine the Y and V motors. So send M584 Y1:4. if that works, then change your config.g to be M584 X0 Y1:4 U3 V4 Z2 E5:6 (not sure about the "P" - maybe leave it as 4). That might work (no guarantees) ☺

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    • curlypaulundefined
                      curlypaul @deckingman
                      last edited by

                      @deckingman - can't hurt to try ! - thank you for taking the time 👍

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                      • curlypaulundefined
                        curlypaul
                        last edited by curlypaul

                        Well, that made for some strange movements

                        So, I can home X, Y and then U - all fine then if I try to move Y it doesn't move correctly and the belts/motors make angry noises (Sorry - I spent ages thinking of a better description)
                        Yet X and U still move correctly

                        From a fresh power on situation, if I send M564 H0,same as homing, again x moves okay, y moves okay, u moves okay. Go back to y - angry noises again
                        If I move x, then u - all okay but then if I move Y - it doesn't like it

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                        • deckingmanundefined
                          deckingman @curlypaul
                          last edited by deckingman

                          @curlypaul "Angry noises" is nicely descriptive. 🙂 It seems that the motors are fighting against each other - or maybe one or more is stationary.

                          I'm looking at your home Y file and trying to figure out what's different between a G1 Y move there and a G1 Y move outside of home Y. 2 things leap out at me (but I'm not sure how it helps).

                          Firstly, you seem to have a scattering of "G1 S1" moves in amongst the "G1 H2s". So you ought to correct them (edit - change them from S1 to H1).

                          Secondly H1 and H2 moves select individual motor mode. So I'm guessing that if you send G1 H2 Ynn it will work, but if you send G1 Ynn (without the "H") you'll get "angry noises". Can you check if that's the case?

                          Ian
                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                          • curlypaulundefined
                            curlypaul @deckingman
                            last edited by

                            @deckingman - I didn't spot the S1 in HomeY, That's gone now - still the same

                            In the meantime, I thought I'd try swapping the carriages - so U is now RH / X LH still the same issue

                            It's really baffling me, all axis move the correct way and amount on their own, just whenever need to 'mix' axes (if that makes sense) Y goes wrong.

                            I unhid V and sent a M564 H0. U and V move correct ways and I can then move X try and move Y .... angry noises

                            I reset... I move X,U and Y, and X,Y and U try and move V - angry noises 😞

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                            • curlypaulundefined
                              curlypaul
                              last edited by

                              Endeavoured to make a video of whats going on..

                              https://youtu.be/z0dNBMlm_lQ

                              This is with carriages swapped from original - as mentioned in previous post

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                              • deckingmanundefined
                                deckingman @curlypaul
                                last edited by

                                @curlypaul Sorry for the delay - had a power outage here. Did you try sending G1 H2 Ynn to see if that works, then G1 Ynn (without the H2)?

                                Then maybe try G1 H2 Vnn. If V goes the opposite way, then that might explain why Y (which is Y and V) goes haywire.

                                Ian
                                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                • deckingmanundefined
                                  deckingman @curlypaul
                                  last edited by

                                  @curlypaul Also, after homing, try sending M584 P3 to see if that makes any difference.

                                  Ian
                                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                  • deckingmanundefined
                                    deckingman @curlypaul
                                    last edited by

                                    @curlypaul Edit - to attempt to home V you'll need to use M584 P5 to make it visible.

                                    Ian
                                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                    • curlypaulundefined
                                      curlypaul @deckingman
                                      last edited by

                                      @deckingman - No worries - i Had to walk away from it for a bit anyway !

                                      So I tried the H2 and without - I just what can only be described a machine gun noise - mostly from the 'x' carriage

                                      After the M584 P5, the 'U' carriage just twitches

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                                      • curlypaulundefined
                                        curlypaul
                                        last edited by curlypaul

                                        Right - Think spotted something !?
                                        after homing x,y and u - it appears to me that the lower pair of 'U' axis motors aren't moving when I try to move Y

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                                        • deckingmanundefined
                                          deckingman @curlypaul
                                          last edited by

                                          @curlypaul That's weird. Because a G1 H2 Ynn move is what you have in your homing file and you say that homing file works fine (in fact your video shows it working fine). So I really can't understand why sending exactly the same command outside of homeY doesn't work. If you were re-mapping motors or some such I could understand it, but you aren't doing that. The only thing you do at the end of homeY is restore the motor currents and change the endstop settings but none of that should make any difference.

                                          I've really run out of ideas - we need DC42 or someone else equally knowledgeable to look at this. Clutching at straws but maybe try removing the final M574 at the end of homeY. I really don;t see why that should make any difference but it's the only thing (apart from motor currents) that gets changed after Y has been homed.

                                          Ian
                                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                          • deckingmanundefined
                                            deckingman @curlypaul
                                            last edited by

                                            @curlypaul said in Core XYU or XYUV:

                                            Right - Think spotted something !?
                                            after homing x,y and u - it appears to me that the lower pair of 'U' axis motors aren't moving when I try to move Y

                                            Yes I figured something like that was happening - hence the "angry noises". The question is why (when they all move as expected during homing). And why again, when you send G1 Ynn H2 which is exactly the same thing as your homing move.

                                            Ian
                                            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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