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    • joehsmashundefined
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      • JoergS5undefined
        JoergS5
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        I don't see errors (error counts or hiccups) in M122.

        You should try the test of loosing one side and run the test again. Releasing the side is only for the test.

        One idea is your little screw is connected to a plastic part. This part is much weaker than all the steel/brass around, so it will flex much more under pressure.

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        • joehsmashundefined
          joehsmash @JoergS5
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          @JoergS5 what should i make loose? i mean why would i have all these issues?

          i never had any problems with the ramps before. the auto bed level worked fine, everything worked fine, i just wanted a quieter printer and more features than that old ramps could provide me.

          i would honestly say that theres nothing physically wrong with my set up but im down to try what ever.

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          • JoergS5undefined
            JoergS5 @joehsmash
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            @joehsmash My idea was that the Z movemement stuck because you have pressure between left and right side. This was the reason for my proposal. But if you know that this is not the reason, you don't need to make this test of course!

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            • joehsmashundefined
              joehsmash @JoergS5
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              @JoergS5 also about that little screw, thats not an issue. its currently not holding any weight other than to just hold the clamp onto the lead nut so that my axis switch stays in place.

              as i said before i could cheat it but it would just cause more issues.

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              • JoergS5undefined
                JoergS5
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                No problem, don't do anything I propose if you don't want to.

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                • joehsmashundefined
                  joehsmash @JoergS5
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                  • joehsmashundefined
                    joehsmash @JoergS5
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                    @JoergS5 i see what you saying.

                    the way this gantry works is there are these clips that hold the axis end stops in place, that sandwiches the top of the gantry to the lead nut so that when it pushes the nozzle into the bed it will tilt the gantry and raise one of the sides which inturn triggers one of the switches.

                    on a side note, if the gantry gets too much out of level it puts lots of pressure on the lead screw and the linear rail and as such will not allow the switches to trigger.

                    right now theres is no pressure between the right and the left screws because i have manually leveled the gantry. only the firmware keeps pushing it out of level.

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                    • JoergS5undefined
                      JoergS5
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                      I want to share a last idea what could be wrong: the endstop is very near to the construction above:
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                      Maybe it bumps into the upper part before the switch is activated sometimes.

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                      • joehsmashundefined
                        joehsmash
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                        if i take the axis clamps off theres nothing to stop the gantry from just raising until the lead nuts come out of the gantry and it will just sit there and spin forever

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                        • joehsmashundefined
                          joehsmash @JoergS5
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                          @JoergS5 right now the NC switch is in an inverted state, the entire weight of the gantry is resting on the lead nut, and the switch clamp is clamped to the leadnut and snugged up to the bottom of the gantry. so that when the nozzle hits the bed, it raises the gantry approx 1mm which causes either of the switches to trigger.

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                          • JoergS5undefined
                            JoergS5 @joehsmash
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                            @joehsmash said in RRF 3 Z home not triggering.:

                            if i take the axis clamps off theres nothing to stop the gantry from just raising until the lead nuts come out of the gantry and it will just sit there and spin forever

                            I didn't mean to remove anything, only to loose one side. (With loose I mean: Do not tighten the screws but loosen them, so that they can give way a little.)

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                            • JoergS5undefined
                              JoergS5 @joehsmash
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                              @joehsmash said in RRF 3 Z home not triggering.:

                              @JoergS5 right now the NC switch is in an inverted state, the entire weight of the gantry is resting on the lead nut, and the switch clamp is clamped to the leadnut and snugged up to the bottom of the gantry. so that when the nozzle hits the bed, it raises the gantry approx 1mm which causes either of the switches to trigger.

                              Ok I understand. That's a good idea and is very precise!

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                              • joehsmashundefined
                                joehsmash @JoergS5
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                                @JoergS5

                                Subtle switch trip https://imgur.com/a/RrO48ah

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                                • JoergS5undefined
                                  JoergS5
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                                  I am not sure, but while watching the video, I think I see some subtle rotations of the endstop while it activates. The rotation means Z movement because the endstop is connected to the trapezoid spindel. Maybe this is the reason for your differing values.

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                                  • joehsmashundefined
                                    joehsmash @joehsmash
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                                    @joehsmash i dont mean to be a smart a$$ im not,

                                    ive just had this machine apart and back together so many times now that im sure i can build it in my sleep.

                                    i would just like to be able to get back to the auto level like i had before and get back to printing.

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                                    • joehsmashundefined
                                      joehsmash @JoergS5
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                                      @JoergS5 i could snug up the lead nut inside the gantry arm for sure. i have some .001 shim here.

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                                      • JoergS5undefined
                                        JoergS5 @joehsmash
                                        last edited by JoergS5

                                        @joehsmash The video is counting down from 0.25 to 0, at position 0:12 the endstop rotates a bit. This changes the measured value. Because the endstop is assembled on the trapezoid spindle and the rotation itself changes the Z position.

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                                        • joehsmashundefined
                                          joehsmash @JoergS5
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                                          @JoergS5 to which i will do in the AM, as i will have to dissasemble the whole gantry and top half of the printer to get them out.

                                          thanks for your help thus far... some times i wish there was just a chat button haha

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                                          • JoergS5undefined
                                            JoergS5
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                                            You don't need to disassamble. I think the endstop rotation could be the reason, so hindering it from rotating is a quick test.

                                            Good night! For me, it's morning.

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