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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by

      Is your bed PID tuned? Bang-bang on the bed can lead to some weird rhythmic warping.

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      • mwolterundefined
        mwolter
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        Try printing a 40mm cube in vase mode with no top or bottom layers and post a picture. Have a feeling there’s an issue with inconsistent extrusion.

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        • matt3oundefined
          matt3o
          last edited by

          I set it PID and recalibrated, but same result @Phaedrux . I actually also tried without bed heating.

          I also tried to change the nozzle with no improvement.

          @mwolter I usually print 1-walled 50mm cube (no infill, no top), but not in vase mode. This way the result should be more reliable as you stop and restart at each layer. Does it make a difference?

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          • mwolterundefined
            mwolter
            last edited by

            A vase mode print is often a good test since it focuses more on printer hardware because it doesn’t utilize retractions and eliminates retraction tuning as a possible issue. It also makes it very easy to see repeating patterns that would indicate an extruder issue.

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            • matt3oundefined
              matt3o
              last edited by

              thanks for the heads up @mwolter

              this is the cube in vase mode

              IMG_20200730_151436.jpg

              this is the section

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              basically the same. super smooth on one side, wobbly on the other.

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              • PDBealundefined
                PDBeal
                last edited by

                Try increasing your extruder motor current or even try printing at a higher temperature.

                You can get a similar repeating pattern if the nozzle builds up pressure that the extruder drive can't overcome. If your system is a bowden system, that could also have issues if the nozzle builds up pressure that the system can't overcome.

                The nozzle pressure issue can look like a z-axis wobble problem when its not.

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                • whopping pochardundefined
                  whopping pochard
                  last edited by

                  Are all of printed in the center of the bed? Have you tried printing one at one of the corners/edges of the bed?

                  I've been struggling to figure out how you can possibly get such an asymmetry in the inside and outside walls when you have a clean nozzle that's parallel to the bed. The only thing I've been able to come up with is the possibility that there's a slight 'wobble' in the bed as it travels up Z, causing the vector orthogonal to the print plane to rotate around actual Z such that the nozzle is always 'tilted' slightly towards the outside of the box.

                  If that were the case, I would expect a box printed at one of the edges of the bed to show the pattern on the outside of the face closer to the edge of the bed and the inside of the face closer to the center.

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                  • matt3oundefined
                    matt3o @PDBeal
                    last edited by

                    @PDBeal I'm direct drive but I'll try to pimp the motor current. I tried to print at various temperatures already but couldn't see much difference.

                    @whopping-pochard that's actually an interesting idea. Let me try that as well and I'll report back!

                    thank you all guys for your continued help!

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                    • matt3oundefined
                      matt3o
                      last edited by

                      unfortunately I don't see any difference in printing in the corners... also giving more amps to the extruder doesn't seem to work...

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
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                        Can you show us some photos of the printer?

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                        • matt3oundefined
                          matt3o @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux sure, I'll take some pics later. In the meantime I can show you the 3d model with a few details

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